Movie Reflection: “Beauty and the Beast”

Beauty and the Beast (2017) imdb.com
“.. An adaptation of the Disney fairy tale about a monstrous-looking prince and a young woman who fall in love.
Director: Bill Condon
Writers: Stephen Chbosky (screenplay), Evan Spiliotopoulos (screenplay)
Stars: Emma Watson, Dan Stevens, Luke Evans |..”

Beauty and the Beast – US Official Final Trailer


“Published on Jan 30, 2017

The final trailer for Beauty and the Beast is here 🌹 On March 17, rediscover a tale as old as time. Get your tickets now at BeOurGuest.com


Disney’s “Beauty and the Beast” is a live-action re-telling of the studio’s animated classic which refashions the classic characters from the tale as old as time for a contemporary audience, staying true to the original music while updating the score with several new songs. “Beauty and the Beast” is the fantastic journey of Belle, a bright, beautiful and independent young woman who is taken prisoner by a beast in his castle. Despite her fears, she befriends the castle’s enchanted staff and learns to look beyond the Beast’s hideous exterior and realize the kind heart and soul of the true Prince within. The film stars: Emma Watson as Belle; Dan Stevens as the Beast; Luke Evans as Gaston, the handsome, but shallow villager who woos Belle; Oscar® winner Kevin Kline as Maurice, Belle’s eccentric, but lovable father; Josh Gad as Lefou, Gaston’s long-suffering aide-de-camp; Golden Globe® nominee Ewan McGregor as Lumiere, the candelabra; Oscar nominee Stanley Tucci as Maestro Cadenza, the harpsichord; Oscar nominee Ian McKellen as Cogsworth, the mantel clock; and two-time Academy Award® winner Emma Thompson as the teapot, Mrs. Potts.”

Reviews:

Beauty and the Beast (2017) rottentomatoes.com
3.20.17 –“70%
Average Rating: 6.7/10
Reviews Counted: 212
Fresh: 148
Rotten: 64

Critics Consensus: With an enchanting cast, beautifully crafted songs, and a painterly eye for detail, Beauty and the Beast offers a faithful yet fresh retelling that honors its beloved source material.

Why Some Parents Say Christians Should Watch Disney’s Beauty and the Beast 03-19-2017 www1.cbn.com
“..When Disney announced it would feature an “exclusively gay moment” in its new “Beauty and the Beast” remake, Christians everywhere vowed to boycott the movie. Despite the backlash, some Christians say parents should think twice about prohibiting their children from seeing the film.

CBN News caught up with folks who saw the movie opening weekend to find out what they think about the controversy. Click the video above to see what they said.

One of those parents is Sarah Wallace, a blogger for The Gospel Centered Mom, and mother of four. She says the movie gives parents the opportunity to teach their children how to interract with a world that loves sin.

“This is the culture God has appointed for us to raise our children in. We need to know how to live in it and interact with it,” she says. Instead of ignoring a culture that celebrates homosexualtiy, Wallace argues that Christians should send their children out into the world with strong knowledge of what the Bible says. ..”
*see Homosexual Acts a Sin? Judge Not! goodnewseverybodycom.wordpress.com

Sal: I’ve seen various versions of this story, but somehow this particular movie inspired me to write about this one. One major reason was the character…

Hattie Morahan as Agathe /en.wikipedia.org
“..– a reclusive, old woman who lives in Villeneuve who, in reality, is a beautiful enchantress in disguise responsible for cursing the Prince. She watches and manipulates the events between Belle and the Prince, secretly acting as their guardian.[18]

Morahan also narrates the prologue…”

I saw her as the “guardian” angel and a particular symbol in the Bible of someone we “humans” need to watch for in life. Can’t let looks disguise you as the theme of this movie pretty much teaches..

Others:

SPOILER ALERT!!!

What’s Up With Agathe In ‘Beauty And The Beast’? She’s A Complicated Character, To Say The Least By Olivia Truffaut-Wong bustle.com
“..Just a nameless and vindictive creature in the animated film, the Enchantress depicted in the new Beauty and the Beast, as played by Hattie Morahan, has a life beyond just cursing a spoiled Prince who refused to give her shelter. Named Agathe, the Enchantress appears in the prologue scene to curse the Beast, but she also pops up throughout the film as a villager. Agathe makes her debut in the film as the provincial town’s local old maid. She is an unmarried woman left begging on the streets, used by Gaston as a cautionary tale after Belle tells him she doesn’t want to go out with him. Pointing to Agathe, Gaston warns Belle that, in this town, an unmarried woman is destined to end up on the street…

Perphas the most significant change to the story in the live action Beauty and the Beast is the presence of Agathe at the end of the film. In the movie, the last rose petal has already fallen when Belle tells the Beast that she loves him. Belle didn’t break the curse at all, Agathe did. When the townspeople rush the castle, she enters with them, slipping in among the angry mob and making her way up to the West Wing of the castle. After witnessing Belle’s declaration, Agathe makes the conscious decision to lift the curse. In other words, she plays an active role in creating their Happily Ever After. Ultimately, the power to break the curse is in her hands and hers alone. She’s not just a random witch, she’s a woman with agency….”
*see Deep Thought: What “causes” us to do “bad” (sin) stuff? goodnewseverybodycom.wordpress.com
on breaking that “generational curse”

What other “life lessons” or any personal thoughts or reflections you got from this movie or any of the Beauty and the Beast versions?

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Music

(Music: Karaoke-“Tale as Old as Time” (Beauty & the Beast) from Crazy lil’ Sal creativemusicartsy.wordpress.com)

Beauty and the Beast (2017 soundtrack) From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia wikipedia.org
“…Condon originally planned on not only drawing inspiration from the original film, but he also planned to include most, if not all, of the songs composed by Alan Menken, Howard Ashman and Tim Rice from the Broadway musical, with the intention of making the film as a “straight-forward, live-action, large-budget movie musical”. Menken returned to score the film’s music, which features songs from the original film by him and Ashman, plus new material written by Menken and Rice. Menken said the film would not include songs that were written for the Broadway musical and instead, created four new songs. On January 19, 2017, it was confirmed by both Disney and Celine Dion, singer of the original title track, that she will perform one of the new original songs, “How Does a Moment Last Forever”, to play over the end titles.[1][4] The film will also feature a new version of “Beauty and the Beast” by Ariana Grande and John Legend.[1][5] Some songs contained Ashman’s unused lyrics that were cut from the animated version…”
Beauty and the Beast (From “Beauty and the Beast”/Official Video)

Music: Karaoke-“Be our guest” (Beauty & the Beast) by Crazy lil’ Sal creativemusicartsy.wordpress.com

Theatrical

Miscellaneous

10 MOVIE MISTAKES Fixed By Beauty And The Beast (2017)

Thoughts of the new version? Any similarities and differences that stood out for you between the old and new? Anything interesting you would like me to add on this subject?

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Neutral Perspective: Masturbation is “good” and “bad”?

GOOD

10 Reasons To Make Masturbation Part Of Your Wellness Routine by Alexandra JamiesonMay 5, 2015 10:42 AM mindbodygreen.com
“..Through working with thousands of women as a health coach (in addition to my own personal experience), masturbation has been both an uncomfortable topic to talk about — while also being a powerful healing technique. It’s time to finally embrace it.

Masturbation has gotten a bad reputation, mainly because religion and culture tell us it’s a sin. The Bible doesn’t explicitly talk about masturbation, although there is some stern warning against “spilling your seed on the ground.” The Catholic Church decided that masturbation (sometimes referred to as “onanism” after Onin, a Biblical character) was a sin deserving of eternal damnation.

By the time World War I came around, onanism was being called “self-abuse” and described in medical texts as more dangerous to young boys than lying or stealing. Girls and women aren’t even mentioned, as if “the fairer sex” couldn’t even possibly do something so dirty.

So it stands to reason that most of us would feel some traces of shame, guilt, or even fear when practicing this very natural act. But take heart from the animal world and modern science! Dozens of mammal, bird, and insect species have been documented to masturbate in captivity and in the wild. From penguins, to dolphins, horses, and even porcupines, mother nature has no judgment when it comes to wrapping your hand, wing, or fin, around your own personal magic wand. ..”

NEUTRAL

Masturbation Debate (Part 1) , from youtube.com
“..Published on Aug 17, 2012

One of the most common topics that gets debated in our ministry is masturbation. Is it a sin? Does the Bible say anything about it? Does it even matter when talking about sexual purity? These and many other questions come up over and over. This 3-part series will help shed light on this issue from a biblical perspective…”

WOMEN

Masturbation: Is It Wrong? Dr. Juli Slattery todayschristianwoman.com
Yes . . . and no. Guidelines for sorting out a complicated question.
“.. 1. What are you thinking about?

While masturbation itself isn’t immoral, the sexual fantasies that usually go with it may be. Most women only masturbate when they are thinking about or looking at something sexual. Sexual fantasies about someone you are not married to are, as Jesus stated, “adultery of the heart.”

“But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman [or man] with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” (Matthew 5:28)

If you are single, fantasizing even about some fictional sexy guy is promoting lustful thoughts. If you are married and fantasizing about another man, you are violating, in your mind and heart, your promise to give yourself sexually only to your husband. On the other hand, there is nothing wrong with a married woman fantasizing about her own husband…

2. What is your motive?

The Bible makes it clear that God is very concerned about our motives. For example, giving money to your church might be a wonderful act of worship or an empty gesture, depending upon the attitude of your heart. The same can be true of masturbation.
….
3. Is it mastering you? (No pun intended.)

The apostle Paul taught that “nothing should master” us. In other words, we shouldn’t be controlled or addicted to anything…

4. Am I honoring God with my body?

“Don’t you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself, for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body” (1 Corinthians 6:19–20)….

BAD

Can Christians Masturbate?


“Published on Jun 9, 2013

This video uses common Protestant theology to show that masturbation for Christians does not need to be such a guilt-ridden, condemning act as it is often treated.

For my regular subscribers, please note that I am not using a skeptical method of analyzing doctrine but am staying within the bounds of commonly accepted Protestant beliefs.
(Essence of Spring by Jeff Woodall licensed by http://www.ambientsoundgarden.com)”

Christian girls talking about sex and masturbation


“Published on Jul 18, 2014

2014 : http://www.marcellee.com”

Negative Effects of Masturbation
September 24, 2012 by Andrew Michell howtostopmasturbation.com
“…Picture
Does masturbation have negative effects? Scientists published this very revealing graph in the Archives of Sexual Behavior here. You can see that as masturbation increases the satisfaction with life decreases. The more a person masturbates the more dissatisfied a person may become. This leads to depression, unhappiness, lack of motivation, and other problems. (click to enlarge picture)

If masturbation is so healthy as so many claim then why are so many people here complaining of pain and negative effects from masturbating? Religion has nothing to do with it because even non religious people experience the same pains and negative side effects. Actually %100 of the data from this study came from Sweden, which is the most atheistic country* in the western world! The more often atheists masturbate the worse they feel. Some will reply “But masturbation is okay unless you are doing it 10 times a day.” Look at the graph. People who feel the worst masturbate only 10 times a month. ..”

Others:

Health: Benefits of Masturbation? goodnewshealthandfitness.wordpress.com

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Deep Thought: What’s the “oldest” age recorded of women having a baby?

Faith


“….”Genesis 17

The Bible talks about barren women who later had children. Why did they have to wait? thisisyourbible.com

What does the bible say about barren women who had to wait til late in life to have children? What is the lesson for us?

“Thank you for asking a question on http://www.thisisyourbible.com

In the Bible just 6 women are described specifically as ‘barren’.

By nature the women who were barren would have borne no children. Each had children by the direct intervention of God.

Barrenness in women and infertility in men are evils of this present world of sin and death brought about by Adam’s disobedience. Barrenness is not punishment on individuals, but like disease, accidents, famines, floods and earthquakes, just another evil that many have to endure.

The promise to Israel, had they kept the covenant made with God at Sinai, makes clear that God can and would intervene and ensure fertility of both people and livestock…

Top 7 Bible Verses About Barren Women patheos.com
“..Children are a blessing from the Lord, and motherhood is a gift to mankind. In many cultures across the ages a woman’s value was based on her ability to reproduce, and her worth went up even more if she gave birth to a son. Not everyone can have children, though, so it has been a source of pain and suffering for many families through the years. Fortunately, a woman’s value today is not based solely on her fertility, but rather on the many other gifts and talents she might possess. The Scriptures do provide a source of hope and comfort to those who desire children, so here are my top 7 Bible verses about barren women…”
Scriptures concerning Fertility and Childbirth stronginfaith.org
“..Is it God’s will for me to conceive and give birth to children?

Yes, absolutely, The first command God gave to mankind was to “be fruitful and multiply.” ..”

-AFRICA

After Menopause, 52 Year Old Woman Delivers Her First Baby


“Published on Aug 11, 2013

http://www.africtoday.com

Mrs Kate Fezigha, a 52-year-old woman, has given birth to her first baby, which came after 19 years of her marriage.

Mrs Kate Fezigha got married in 1994.

For years, the new mother, who is a midwife at the General Hospital, Sagbama in Bayelsa State, has supervised the delivery of many children but she never had a child.

She got frustrated after her attempt to adopt a child from a Bayelsa-based orphanage home was scuttled, as she was duped by the coordinator of the home.

Her menstrual flow ceased sometime last year and Fezigha concluded that menopause had set in and her chances of having a child gone.

Afterwards, she started experiencing regular dizziness and pains in some parts of her body and went for a test and the scan showed she was pregnant.

Nine months after, she gave birth to a baby girl named Prudent on June 3, 2013.

Fezigha said at the dedication of the child and thanksgiving service, in Yenagoa that the conception and birth of the “miracle baby” was “the Lord’s doing and it is indeed marvellous”.

She said the pressure on her during her 19-year wait was unbearable, especially as the children she assisted their mothers to be delivered had become parents.

She said: “I was worried that all the children I had taken delivery of while on duty in the hospital were now parents.

“I reflected and declared to myself that in spite of the fact that no child had died in my hand during birth as a midwife, why shouldn’t I have mine?

“But a voice kept telling me to redouble my effort and I shall be blessed.

“But the mysterious voice started reducing in my head as I was fast losing hope. I decided to adopt a baby from an orphanage and I was swindled.

“At this stage, I ignored the voice and handed the matter over to God. And now I am a happy mother.”

It emerged that it was a mysterious sickness that led her into going for a scan that revealed a fibroid or cyst.

Another scan revealed that she was pregnant.

“I had mixed feelings after the second scan. I even told my husband that it’s false pregnancy.

“When my husband asked me what that meant, I became his lecturer, telling him what it meant and saw the expectation of a pregnancy in his eyes.

“A few months later, I started seeing some changes in my body. Throughout this period, I could not go to work and had to be hospitalised twice before I was delivered of the baby.

“Those who knew me could not believe it and screamed when they saw my protruding stomach. They screamed and shouted praise the Lord.”

Basking in the euphoria of her new bundle of joy, Fezigha said that her family is full of praises to God.

“All the period of waiting was not easy, but I am comforted by the word of God. Women who are hoping to have children should put their trust in God.””

-AMERICAS

=>USA

90-YEAR-OLD WOMAN PREGNANT AFTER YEARS OF PRAYING!, by Magde 11 months ago 2,601 views (today is March 14th 2017, so minus 11 months)
“..“But God always answers my prayers and though, at my age, the so called “doctors” say I can’t get knocked up, they is wrong. I pray hard enough, God will let me give birth to a grandchild. I mean, my own child, that I will treat like a grandchild.”

What Margaret Allen does every morning is get at 3am and pray to God for 14 hours make her pregnant. When she finishes with praying, this 80-year-old has dinner and goes to bed “mating with” a 22-year-old who she’s chosen to be the father of her baby…”

-EUROPE

How old is too old to have a baby? – Health – Health care – Breaking … By Arthur Caplan, Ph.D. msnbc.com contributor
updated 1/24/2005 3:06:34 PM ET nbcnews.com

The case of the ‘world’s oldest mom’

Assistance in knowing how old is too old has now been provided by a Romanian woman named Adriana Iliescu. The 66-year-old unmarried professor and writer gave birth by emergency Caesarean section to a baby girl on Jan. 17 at the Giulesti Maternity Hospital in Bucharest. She is now the oldest woman in the world ever to give birth. Her doctor, when asked why he would use reproductive technology to permit a 66-year-old woman to become pregnant, said he helped her because that is what she wanted to do, and because he was impressed with her faith in God and with her “determination.”…

-MISC

Stories of Faith from Miracle Mothers… – Miracle Mothers International miraclemothers.org

“..That first meeting was so amazing! Listening to all the women’s stories, their successes, and their struggles, it was nice to not feel so alone! I began to see that the Lord led me to this group. I began to understand that I was in need of spiritual healing. Karen was so dynamic and passionate about helping us through our struggles. The meeting left me emotionally exhausted, but with a sense of renewed faith and peace! Through Karen’s teaching, I learned that the Lord will fulfill His promises to me and that my past sins cannot separate me from His love—if I ask for His forgiveness. I learned that the Lord is never early and never late! He has a plan, which I can now see unfolding little by little. I now know that He will direct me to the path I should follow—whether IVF, adoption, IUI, or natural conception. WOW, what a weight that has been lifted off of me! Knowing that He is in control and I don’t have to be, I no longer feel pressure to do IVF or even know all the answers. I have put all my faith in Him, and I am giving Him my dreams! ..”

Genesis Chapter 21 – Isaac is Born


“Published on Feb 7, 2015

Audio by Word of Promise”

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Deep Thought: Was Jesus a “humanitarian”?

humanitarian dictionary.com
“having concern for or helping to improve the welfare and happiness of people. ..”

Charity openbible.info

=>Poor/Poverty/Homeless

The Widow’s Offering Luke 21English Standard Version (ESV) biblegateway.com


21 Jesus[a] looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the offering box, 2 and he saw a poor widow put in two small copper coins.[b] 3 And he said, “Truly, I tell you, this poor widow has put in more than all of them. 4 For they all contributed out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on.”

“..Sell your possessions, and give to the needy. Provide yourselves with moneybags that do not grow old, with a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches and no moth destroys. ..”Luke 12

“…Give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you.” ..”Luke 6

“…“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, … ..”Matthew 25

“…“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you…”Matthew 6

“And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”..”Luke 3

“..He has filled the hungry with good things, and the rich he has sent away empty. ..”Luke 1

-Women

Jesus And The Samaritan Woman.avi

John 4 New International Version (NIV)
Jesus Talks With a Samaritan Woman
biblegateway.com
“…4 Now he had to go through Samaria. 5 So he came to a town in Samaria called Sychar, near the plot of ground Jacob had given to his son Joseph. 6 Jacob’s well was there, and Jesus, tired as he was from the journey, sat down by the well. It was about noon.

7 When a Samaritan woman came to draw water, Jesus said to her, “Will you give me a drink?” 8 (His disciples had gone into the town to buy food.)

9 The Samaritan woman said to him, “You are a Jew and I am a Samaritan woman. How can you ask me for a drink?” (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.[a])

10 Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.”

11 “Sir,” the woman said, “you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water? 12 Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his livestock?”

13 Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, 14 but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”

15 The woman said to him, “Sir, give me this water so that I won’t get thirsty and have to keep coming here to draw water.”

16 He told her, “Go, call your husband and come back.”

17 “I have no husband,” she replied.

Jesus said to her, “You are right when you say you have no husband. 18 The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true.”

19 “Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet. 20 Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.”

21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

25 The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”

26 Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.”..”

Was Jesus a Humanitarian? Is That Really In The Bible?

MISC:

Humanitarian Jesus: Social Justice and the Cross
by Christopher Benson
3 . 17 . 10 firstthings.com
“…“Don’t forget that Jesus Christ died to save sinners, not to bring about political change.” To those on the Religious Right, they say: “Don’t forget that Jesus spent much of his time helping the sick, the poor, and the needy.” A corrective and a call to action all in one, Humanitarian Jesus shows that evangelism and good works coexist harmoniously when social investment is subservient to and supportive of the church’s primary mission of worship, evangelism, and discipleship…”

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What is a women’s role in the “church” from a Biblical perspective?

I decided to do a blog on an on-going “debate able” topic that was shared at my local church yesterday morning. It cleared up a lot of questions…

Mythology & Beliefs: Artemis (Diana)
In Greek and Roman Mythology, Artemis (Diana) was the goddess of moon; a huntress and the twin sister of Apollo.

http://www.bible-history.com/links.php?cat=30&sub=2346&cat_name=Mythology+%26+Beliefs&subcat_name=Artemis+%28Diana%29

The Role of Women in the Church from truthortradition.com

http://www.stfvideocast.com/videos/player.swf

“…We are going to understand them properly. To understand these verses in 1 Timothy chapter two properly, and indeed to understand any verse in the Bible properly, you have to have some idea of cultural context in which this verse was written. …

..That is not at all what is going on here. Again, I would like to say that it is because of misunderstanding verses like these that many women have walked away from God and the Lord Jesus Christ, and many women have turned to other religions, ungodliness, or turned against God because they are bitter and upset.

…Other women are in the Church and they have great ministries, but they are sitting not doing anything particularly because they do not want to offend God out of disobedience. They do not want to go against what they think He wants them to do. Sometimes, too, other men and other women jump on women if they try and get involved. Some of this comes from the fact that we misunderstand these verses…

If you look around at church services, and of course, all kinds of Christian organizations do surveys, and you should know that on any given Sunday more than half of the people in churches are women. That is right, more than half of the people in churches are women; yet, in many cases, their ministries have been restricted and constricted because of people who do not understand the text. This verse is a good one.

1 Timothy 2:11

A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.

Right away we are thinking, “Women are way down there on the totem pole with God.” The first thing that we need to point out here is about the culture. When Paul was writing to Timothy, where was he? Where was Timothy? 1 Timothy Chapter 1, verse 3—“As I urged you [Timothy] when I [Paul] went into Macedonia,” Macedonia is Northern Greece, so Paul here left for Northern Greece. Paul says, “When I urged you, when I went into Northern Greece [Macedonia] stay there in Ephesus.” Now we know where Timothy is. He is in Ephesus….

…The boys are already learning without causing a disturbance and in submission, if you will, quietness and full submission. So now what is Paul saying here? He is saying, “a women should learn in quietness and full submission.” If I were to put this into a modern English understanding so that the average street Christian could understand it, I would say, “a women should learn just like the men do, in quietness and full submission.”…

1 Timothy 2:12 and 13

I do not permit a woman to teach or have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was first formed then Eve.

…Well, we have got two distinct strains of teaching that I want to go into today. One of those is the ancient mythology of the time. Part of the ancient mythology that Timothy was dealing with was that the original creator of the heaven and the earth was a goddess, not a god. That it was not really a creator but a creatress. That the original creatress of the universe, this goddess, was the supreme god and all deities were underneath her….

..”Most Gnostic accounts show Eve as pre-existing Adam. In one account, she’s actually the hermaphrodite from whom Adam is drawn.”…

Gnostics were opposed to childbearing—not every Gnostic, but many Gnostics were opposed to childbearing. Why? Because when you became pregnant, then what happened is that you created another body. But where did the soul come from? Where did that life spark come from? Well, that life spark had to come from the true God—way up there at the top, so that what happens is that you, through your ignorance in childbearing, have caused a piece to break off the true God, if you will, so many of the Gnostics believe that women could not ascend back to the true God until they gathered up all the sparks, if you will, or pieces that they were responsible for breaking off the real God. On page 175 the Kreigers’ write:…

The word silent is the word hesuchia, and it means tranquil. She is not to cause a disturbance.

1 Timothy 2:13

For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

Now the problem in verse 12 is the phrase “have authority over.” This is the Greek word “authentane.” Authentane is translated in every version that I have looked at something like, “have authority over, dominion over, not to usurp authority from.” This is the way authentane is usually handled. In deference to many people who have tried to study these verses on their own, I will say that it has been very difficult to get to the truth….

…Now, if you see where this is flowing, what I want to do at this point is I want to anchor in the part about “teach.”

1 Timothy 2:12

I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority…

However, if teach and another word are linked in your understanding, then I can forbid one thing. Let me make this clearer. If I say to you, “I do not permit you to teach or discuss higher mathematics.” In that phrase in English, I am not saying that you cannot teach and you cannot discuss higher mathematics as in two separate things. I am saying you cannot teach or discuss higher mathematics. You can go out and teach something else. You can discuss something else, but you cannot teach or discuss higher mathematics….


Paul and Women Teachers:
Understanding 1Timothy, Chapters 1 & 2

By Dianne D. McDonnell from churchofgoddfw.com

“….What was Ephesus like?

It is helpful to understand the setting. Ephesus was a wealthy Asian city that revolved around the massive Temple of Artemis, one of the seven wonders of the ancient world. Understanding the religion of Artemis, also known as Diana, is very important in understanding the words Paul writes. Notice in the quotation below that Artemis, a fertility goddess, was believed to protect women during childbirth.

“‘Artemis of the Ephesians’ was not a Greek divinity, but Asiatic. This is shown by the fact that eunuchs were employed in her worship– a practice quite foreign to Greek ideas. She was not regarded as a virgin but as mother and foster-mother, as is clearly shown by the multitude of breasts in the rude effigy. She was undoubtedly a representative of the same power presiding over conception and birth that was adored in Palestine under the name Ashtoreth. Her worship, frantic and fanatical after the manner of Asia, was traced back to the Amazons. Her temple at Ephesus was one of the wonders of the world, but its great glory was the ‘image which fell down from heaven’ (Acts 19:35).” New Unger’s Bible Dictionary published by Moody Press of Chicago, Illinois, 1988. …

Myths and Genealogies

…The Amazons are believed by some historians to have been real women whose exploits were magnified into myth. These Amazons are reported to have believed they were not only equal to men, but far superior to men! Therefore, proponents of the Amazons’ goddess Artemis taught female superiority, and this background caused marital problems for the Christian couples of Ephesus! Paul addresses this problem in Ephesians 5:22 as he urges wives to defer to their Christian husbands. Many Ephesian women were told tales of Amazon battles and exploits in their pre-Christian days and taught that they were descended from Amazons– a superior female race! This would explain the false teachers devoting themselves to “myths and endless genealogies” mentioned in 1Tim 1:4. The long genealogies linked them to their Amazon predecessors, whom they believed to be real people that founded Ephesus. Paul was convinced that they were mythological. ..”

REFERENCES:
*shared by my Pastor, Pat F:

Fashioned to Reign: Empowering Women to Fulfill Their Divine Destiny Hardcover – August 15, 2013

by
Kris Vallotton (Author), Jack Hayford (Foreword) amazon.com
Why Not Women : A Biblical Study of Women in Missions, Ministry, and Leadership Paperback – August 1, 2000

by Loren Cunningham (Author), David Joel Hamilton (Author), Janice Rogers (Author) .amazon.com

What’s with Paul and Women? Paperback – April 2, 2010

by
Jon Zens (Author), Wade Burleson (Foreword) amazon.com

Discovering Biblical Equality: Complementarity Without Hierarchy Paperback – August 25, 2005

by Ronald W. Pierce (Editor), Rebecca Merrill Groothuis (Editor), Gordon D. Fee (Editor) amazon.com

Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood (Redesign): A Response to Evangelical Feminism Paperback – November 30, 2012

by
John Piper (Editor),
Wayne Grudem (Editor), J. Ligon Duncan (amazon.com)

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Temple of Artemis


“Uploaded on May 31, 2008 (Randall Niles)

Temple of Artemis in the Book of Acts. Drive Thru History visits the biblical site of Ephesus where Paul challenged Demetrius and the silversmiths making statues of Artemis (Diana). Go to http://www.ColdWaterMedia.com to explore more videos in the Drive Thru History series.

Lesson 7: The Conduct Of Women In The Church (1 Timothy 2:9-15) bible.org

THE VARIOUS VERSIONS OF
THE WICKER MAN
from steve-p.org

“… The community’s crops have failed and the islanders want Howie as a human sacrifice to appease their gods and ensure bountiful harvests in the future. The ultimate point the film was to make is this – what does Howie’s religion (albeit a more mainstream one than the islanders’) actually count for if he is alone in a sea of different beliefs? Unless deities actually exist, the winner in a conflict of religions is simply the one that has the muscle to enforce his doctrine….
The Wicker Man (2006) , from imdb.com

“…Edward travels to the private island of Summerisle, where Willow lives in an odd community that plant fruits, and she reveals that Rowan is actually their daughter. Along his investigation with the hostile and unhelpful dwellers, Edward discloses that the locals are pagans, practicing old rituals to improve their harvest, and Rowan is probably alive and being prepared to be sacrificed. When he locates the girl, he finds also the dark truth about the wicker man. ..

What Does the Bible Say About Women? – OpenBible.info

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Good News Women

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Netural Perspective: Law Enforcement-Police “Protect and to Serve?”

Bio: I personally have had more positive experiences with local and statewide law enforcement overall as a “law-abiding” citizen. Unfortunately, this might not be the same for many of you out there. Please feel free to share your stories down below.

Good

*I had a personal “good” experience this past winter (2014) when my car got stuck going to work (overnight shift) around 10:45pm. A policewoman was driving around town helped me get “unstuck”. I was very grateful of her driving around town late at night during this last snowstorm/blizzard in Morris
smile emoticon

Photo of Officer Giving Boots to Barefoot Man Warms Hearts Online
By J. DAVID GOODMAN
Published: November 28, 2012

http://videos.komando.com/watch/5719/viral-videos-man-dealing-with-alzheimers-has-a-tearful-moment-of-clarity

Instead of giving out a ticket, Officer Ben Hall went beyond the call of duty for a young mother who couldn’t afford a car seat for her daughter.

Good Morning America
WATCH this amazing holiday spirit: while pretending to pull over drivers, a police officer asks people what they, along with family members, want for Christmas – minutes later, his helpers deliver the gifts. Bravo, Rob Bliss Creative and Lowell Police Department!

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/after-arrest-florida-teen-helps-save-officers-life/?ftag=YHF4eb9d17

FUNNY
https://www.facebook.com/groups/440876362659827/

Actual Bank Robbery In Detroit — Absolutely Priceless !!!!

LAW
https://www.facebook.com/groups/537904866304553/

2nd Amendment: Right to bear Arms

Love

Police officer buys bed, TV, Wii for teen
Posted: May 07, 2014 9:41 PM CST
http://www.wsmv.com/story/25459694/police-officer-goes-above-and-beyond-for-sumter-teen

Militarizing

http://rt.com/usa/urban-shield-police-militarization-762/
“SWAT teams, military contractors and law enforcement from the world over are gathering this weekend in Oakland, CA for the annual event Urban Shield, a training and weapons expo made possible by the Department of Homeland Security and arms manufacturers.”

Religion

-Satanism

Illuminati Defector Details
Pervasive Conspiracy
Satanic Cult Plans ‘Fourth Reich’
By Henry Makow, Ph.D
10-14-2
http://www.rense.com/general30/illuminatidefector.htm
The cult trained military leaders and people under their direction will use arms as well as crowd control techniques to implement this new state of affairs. …Military bases will be set up, in each locality (actually, they are already here, but are covert). In the next few years, they will go above ground and be revealed. Each locality will have regional bases and leaders to which they are accountable. The hierarchy will closely reflect the current covert hierarchy.

Tourists

NYC subway fight: Swedish cops on vacation break up homeless brawl on uptown 6 train



Truth

White Police Chief Loses It and Tells the Blunt TRUTH About Black Crime [VIDEO]
Monday, November 24th, 2014
http://conservativetribune.com/police-black-crime/

NEUTRAL

Justified or NOT?

-North Carolina

Brentley Vinson: The Charlotte cop involved in deadly shooting
Michael Walsh,Michael Walsh Fri, Sep 23 10:13 AM PDT yahoo.com

“..One of Vinson’s friends, Michael Scurlock, told CNN that Vinson is “distraught” and “torn” over the incident.

“No matter if it’s justified or unjustified, it’s tough when you have to know that you had to take someone else’s life,” the friend said.

Scurlock said he had a brief phone conversation with Vinson and could tell that the situation was hard for him based on the emotional tone of his voice…”
Yielding to Pressure, Charlotte Releases Videos of Keith Scott Shooting
By ALAN BLINDER and RICHARD FAUSSETSEPT. 24, 2016 nytimes.com
“…The dashboard video, the lawyers said, appeared to show that the front window on the driver’s side was rolled up. Mr. Bamberg said the video then showed Mr. Scott stepping out of the vehicle, his hands down, with his right hand empty and “some type of object” in his left hand. “It’s impossible to make out what it is,” he said, noting that Mr. Scott was right-handed.

“He doesn’t make any dramatic movements,” Mr. Bamberg said. He also said Mr. Scott seemed “confused.”

In the video, Mr. Scott took a couple of steps forward “in a nonaggressive manner,” Mr. Bamberg said, and then a step back. Gunshots followed…”

-Excessive force?

WATCH: Cop Slams 22-Year-Old Woman to the Ground Face-First During Scuffle insider.foxnews.com
“A disturbing Instagram video shows a Colorado police officer slamming a woman face-first to the ground after a scuffle.

In the video, which was posted by Barstool Sports over the weekend, a woman in a black dress and high heels can be seen struggling with a Fort Collins police officer outside a bar.

After several seconds of grappling, he turns and throws her face down on the pavement with a judo-style trip.,,”

BAD

*I had a policeman asked me to give him $10/$20 after I asked him if he could borrow me his cell phone to call a relative to pick my mom and I up at the airport (Manilla Philippines) in November 2012.

Abuses Documented
https://www.facebook.com/groups/380276108747293/

-Civil Rights

Video shows cop punching woman on L.A. freeway
http://www.kare11.com/story/news/nation/2014/07/05/la-police-assault-woman/12241601/

-Elderly
https://www.facebook.com/groups/471659289554782/

Why Did Police Beat an Elderly Man for Jaywalking?
Wednesday, 22 January 2014 15:12 By The Daily Take, The Thom Hartmann Program | Op-Ed
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/21394-why-did-police-beat-an-elderly-man-for-jaywalking
“..But we need to go bigger than that. We need to make a commitment to funding the COPS program so that police work is seen not just as a way to catch the bad guys, but as a way to serve communities all across the country…”

-Family

Vacationing Family Pulled Over, Handcuffed At Gunpoint By Air Force Base Security
Vacationing Family Pulled Over, Handcuffed At Gunpoint By Air Force Base Security

-Geographic
http://travel.goodnewsusa.info/

=>Alabama

http://news.yahoo.com/alabama-police-officer-charged-assaulting-indian-man-062639725.html

=>California

http://mic.com/articles/98826/lapd-confuses-black-actress-kissing-white-husband-for-prostitute?utm_source=policymicFB&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=social


HEY PLEASE SHARE THIS VIDEO ASAP !! SHARE IT ONLINE FRIENDS PLEASE !! IS TIME TO PUT A STOP TO ALL OF THIS BARBARIC INHUMAN AND UNCIVILIZED TREATMENT FROM THESE TYPES OF POLICE MEN !!! THE LOCATION WERE THAT HAPPENED WAS IN CARSON, CALIFORNIA, AND IT HAPPENED TODAY!! JUST RECENTLY, IM ALSO GOING TO TELL ALL OF MY FRIENDS ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THERE IS NO REASON FOR THIS. THESE MEN HAVE NO RIGHT TO WEAR THE UNIFORM MUCH LESS THE BADGE. POLICE BRUTALITY HAS TO STOP.

Full un-edited video presented in Kelly Thomas Murder Trial
http://www.latimes.com/videogallery/69846618/News/Full-un-edited-video-presented-in-Kelly-Thomas-murder-trial

=>Indiana

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/10/08/shocking-video-lawsuit-filed-after-indiana-cops-bash-car-window-taser-man

=> Louisiana

Alton Sterling Shot! (*Warning Graphic 18+)


New Video Emerges of Alton Sterling Being Killed by Baton Rouge Police written by
Zack Kopplin thedailybeast.com
“.. homeless man reportedly called 911 after Sterling showed him his gun after the man asked him for money, an official told CNN. A Baton Rouge police dispatcher then told officers a man matching Sterling’s description “pulled a gun” on the 911 caller, according WAFB-TV.

Muflahi walked out the front door when he saw the officers talking to Sterling and said there was no “altercation,” as police claimed, until the cops tasered and tackled Sterling. That’s when Muflahi took out his phone and started recording.

The Daily Beast is publishing this video in its entirety—despite its graphic nature—because it shows what happened before, during, and after the killing of Sterling. A previous video only showed him being tackled and the first two gunshots…”
Here’s what liberals DON’T want you to know about Louisiana shooting victim
Written by Matt Palumbo on July 7, 2016 allenbwest.com
“…Police were called after Sterling had been threatening a homeless man with a firearm for asking him if he had any spare change. The homeless man had made the 911 call. After police arrived, Sterling had resisted arrest, and appeared to make a grab for his firearm at one point. This is still disputable, however. In the video footage of the shooting, you can hear the officer shout “He’s got a gun!” and “if you f—king move, I swear to God.” One of the officers then says something unintelligible, and two shots are fired.

So who is Alton Sterling? For starters, liberals should know he possessed an illegal firearm. As a felon with a lengthy rap sheet, Sterling is legally prohibited from possessing a firearm. Police records show Sterling had been a member of the Bloods gang, and had a list of offenses including battery, assault, drugs and weapons charges, and owed $25,000 in child support. He was also a registered pedophile, having impregnated a 14-year-old girl when he was 20. The media, by contrast, has portrayed him as a loving father of five.

..”

Peter Rosenberg Loses It On Police Officer Over Alton Sterling Killing

=>Maryland

Baltimore protests death of Freddie Gray – RT Special Coverage


“Published on Apr 22, 2015

Ben Swann reports from the scene of the Baltimore protests following Freddie Gray’s mysterious death in police custody. Swann interviews the Gray family lawyer and a local minister in an attempt to unravel the events going on in the city. Anya Parampil reports live from the protests and captures the mood of the demonstrators. Finally, Manuel Rapalo delivers the latest information on the timeline leading up to and after Gray’s death.”

-Misc
Top 10 Cases of Police Brutality
Zabrina November 7, 2012
http://listverse.com/2012/11/07/top-10-cases-of-police-brutality/

Rodney King tape on national news.flv

The L.A. Riots: 15 Years After Rodney King
http://content.time.com/time/specials/2007/la_riot/article/0,28804,1614117_1614084_1614831,00.html #ixzz2rB4IrLqJ

http://content.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1614117_1614084,00.html

=> Minnesota

Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 10:38 AM PDT
St. Paul police violently arrest a black man for sitting on bench, waiting for his children (VIDEO)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/28/1325409/-St-Paul-police-violently-arrest-a-black-man-for-sitting-on-bench-waiting-for-his-children-VIDEO?showAll=yes%3Fdetail%3Dfacebook#

http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2014/08/st_paul_police_defend_chris_lollie_arrest_lawyers_question_aggressive_use_of_force.php

4 Roseville police officers sued for excessive force
Jana Shortal, KARE 11:05 p.m. EDT April 16, 2014
http://www.kare11.com/story/news/local/2014/04/16/roseville-officers-accused-of-using-excessive-force/7805073/

My “Racist Tones” andrealucado.com
“..There is a reason that the second feeling I felt when I heard about the murders of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile was shame. First, I felt sadness. Then, I felt shame…”
EXCLUSIVE: Black man whose shooting death by police was streamed live by his girlfriend had been pulled over AT LEAST 31 times and hit with 63 traffic charges Published: 11:35 EST, 8 July 2016 dailymail.co.uk

->Missouri

BaseballMLB All-Star Adam Wainwright’s Secret to Successhttp://www.cbn.com/tv/3673904621001more…http://travel.goodnewsusa.info/missouri.htmlpic taken way back in 2000 or so

Posted by Sal Monteagudo on Sunday, October 12, 2014

The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie
U.S. News
08.15.14
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html

http://dailysignal.com/2014/08/15/ferguson-police-video-shows-michael-brown-robbing-convenience-store-clerk/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/neighbor-live-tweeted-brown-shooting-damning-evidence-officer/#hpzBKwCo8BfdBYb5.99

*false accusation?
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/170048-star-witness-michael-brown-shooting-charged-theft-filing-false-police-report/

http://www.tmz.com/2014/12/23/michael-brown-song-video-dead-police-parody-leroy-brown/

8.20.14

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/904789-kajieme-powell-shooting-video-shows-st-louis-cops-firing-at-man/

-Mentally
https://www.facebook.com/groups/133973023445443/

  • How Police Officers Are (or Aren’t) Trained in Mental Health
    Megan Pauly Oct 11, 2013 theatlantic.com
  • Requirements vary across the U.S., but experts say training is necessary and helpful.
    “…Without the appropriate amount of mental health training for police, experts say, rash stigmatization and misinterpretation of the intentions of the mentally ill can cause vital errors and ultimately make the difference between life and death….

    Dallas police shoot mentally ill man on his porch, footage reveals


    “Published on Mar 19, 2015

    WARNING: GRAPHIC FOOTAGE
    Recently released body cam footage from June 2014 shows two Dallas police officers fatally shooting the mentally ill Jason Harrison seconds after arriving on scene. Shirley Harrison, Jason’s mother, walks past Officers Andrew Hutchins and John Rogers telling them her son is “biopolar, schizo,” when Jason exits the home with a screwdriver. Seconds after telling him to drop it, the officers open fire.”

    http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/10/violent_video_shows_michigan_police_shot_homeless_man_46_times.html

    -Murder

    4 Unarmed Black Men Have Been Killed By Police in the Last Month
    From New York City and LA to Ohio and Ferguson, MO, they all died under disputed circumstances.
    —By Josh Harkinson
    | Wed Aug. 13, 2014 9:50 PM EDT
    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/08/3-unarmed-black-african-american-men-killed-police

    Justice?

    => Nevada

    MUST SEE: How One Filmmaker May Have Prevented the Bundy Standoff From Becoming a Massacre

    By Top Right News on April 17, 2014 in Bundy Ranch, Liberty, Politics, Top Clips
    http://toprightnews.com/?p=2512

    =>New Jersey


    “WATCH AND SHARE THIS EVERYWHERE YOU WON’T BELIEVE WHAT YOU SEE COPS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED DOMESTIC ENEMIES DO NOT TRUST ANY OF THEM! YOU DON’T KNOW WHO’S GOOD OR WHO’S BAD ANYMORE! Follow Blaine Cooper
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/24/dash-cam-video-reveals-what-really-happened-when-cops-arrested-man-during-traffic-stop/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=ShareButtons

    =>New Mexico

    FBI investigating police shooting of camper
    http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/fbi-investigating-police-shooting-of-camper
    This March 16, 2014 photo from an Albuquerque Police Department lapel camera still shows a standoff with an illegal camper in the Albuquerque foothills, before police fired six shots at the man.
    AP 1 hr ago (Sat. Mar 29th 2014)| By JERI CLAUSING of Associated Press

    =>New York

    Architecture…

    Posted by Sal Monteagudo on Wednesday, September 10, 2014

    Behind the Video of Eric Garner’s Deadly Confrontation With New York Police
    Josh Sanburn @joshsanburn
    July 22, 2014
    http://time.com/3016326/eric-garner-video-police-chokehold-death/

    http://kickerdaily.com/watch-white-police-officer-repeatedly-punches-teenage-black-boy-while-handcuffed/

    =>Pennsylvania

    After video surfaces, grand jury charges 2 Philadelphia policemen in beating
    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-philadelphia-police-charged-20150205-story.html

    => Utah

    Ferguson-like attack in Utah escapes media notice; race bias seen
    Discrepancy in attention given to Ferguson’s Michael Brown, Utah’s Dillon Taylor fuels resentment
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/25/critics-see-racial-double-standard-in-coverage-of-/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS

    =>Wisconsin

    Madison Police Response to Shooting Contrasts with Ferguson
    http://kstp.com/news/stories/s3728507.shtml

    Former police officer accused of assaulting 8 boys
    http://www.kare11.com/story/news/crime/2014/05/02/former-police-officer-accused-of-assaulting-8-boys/8614473/

    -Education

    http://www.lawenforcement.com/How-To-Become-Law-Enforcement-Police-Officer

    http://study.com/law_enforcement_programs_minnesota.html

    -Funny


    *Disclaimer: I don’t encourage fleeing

    -Physically/Mentally Challenged
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/133973023445443/

    Caught On Cell Phone: LA Cop Punches Special Needs Girl In The Face On A Bus!
    http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhvvqUN45rNQy4vm30

    -Racism

    http://thegrio.com/2015/01/15/florida-police-black-men-target-practice/

    -Thieves

    -Words

    GLOBAL

    ASIA

    -Hong Kong

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/15/world/asia/hong-kong-police-protest-video/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

    LATIN

    -Mexico

    Mexico leader vows justice over 43 missing students
    AFP
    By Leticia Pineda (Mon, Oct. 6th 2014)
    http://news.yahoo.com/hitmen-admit-killing-17-mexican-students-prosecutor-005040009.html
    Ayotzinapa (Mexico) (AFP) – Mexico’s president vowed Monday to punish those responsible for the disappearance of 43 students who vanished in a night of violence blamed on crooked police tied to a drug gang.

    LAW
    http://www.kare11.com/story/news/local/2014/08/29/when-must-you-show-id-to-police/14825985/

    Any personal stories (good/bad) related to the stories above? What is your suggestion to solve this growing epidemic?

    Good News USA
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/141726762684036/