I decided to do a blog on an on-going “debate able” topic that was shared at my local church yesterday morning. It cleared up a lot of questions…
Mythology & Beliefs: Artemis (Diana)
In Greek and Roman Mythology, Artemis (Diana) was the goddess of moon; a huntress and the twin sister of Apollo.
The Role of Women in the Church from truthortradition.com
“…We are going to understand them properly. To understand these verses in 1 Timothy chapter two properly, and indeed to understand any verse in the Bible properly, you have to have some idea of cultural context in which this verse was written. …
..That is not at all what is going on here. Again, I would like to say that it is because of misunderstanding verses like these that many women have walked away from God and the Lord Jesus Christ, and many women have turned to other religions, ungodliness, or turned against God because they are bitter and upset.
…Other women are in the Church and they have great ministries, but they are sitting not doing anything particularly because they do not want to offend God out of disobedience. They do not want to go against what they think He wants them to do. Sometimes, too, other men and other women jump on women if they try and get involved. Some of this comes from the fact that we misunderstand these verses…
If you look around at church services, and of course, all kinds of Christian organizations do surveys, and you should know that on any given Sunday more than half of the people in churches are women. That is right, more than half of the people in churches are women; yet, in many cases, their ministries have been restricted and constricted because of people who do not understand the text. This verse is a good one.
1 Timothy 2:11
A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.
Right away we are thinking, “Women are way down there on the totem pole with God.” The first thing that we need to point out here is about the culture. When Paul was writing to Timothy, where was he? Where was Timothy? 1 Timothy Chapter 1, verse 3—“As I urged you [Timothy] when I [Paul] went into Macedonia,” Macedonia is Northern Greece, so Paul here left for Northern Greece. Paul says, “When I urged you, when I went into Northern Greece [Macedonia] stay there in Ephesus.” Now we know where Timothy is. He is in Ephesus….
…The boys are already learning without causing a disturbance and in submission, if you will, quietness and full submission. So now what is Paul saying here? He is saying, “a women should learn in quietness and full submission.” If I were to put this into a modern English understanding so that the average street Christian could understand it, I would say, “a women should learn just like the men do, in quietness and full submission.”…
1 Timothy 2:12 and 13
I do not permit a woman to teach or have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was first formed then Eve.
…Well, we have got two distinct strains of teaching that I want to go into today. One of those is the ancient mythology of the time. Part of the ancient mythology that Timothy was dealing with was that the original creator of the heaven and the earth was a goddess, not a god. That it was not really a creator but a creatress. That the original creatress of the universe, this goddess, was the supreme god and all deities were underneath her….
..”Most Gnostic accounts show Eve as pre-existing Adam. In one account, she’s actually the hermaphrodite from whom Adam is drawn.”…
Gnostics were opposed to childbearing—not every Gnostic, but many Gnostics were opposed to childbearing. Why? Because when you became pregnant, then what happened is that you created another body. But where did the soul come from? Where did that life spark come from? Well, that life spark had to come from the true God—way up there at the top, so that what happens is that you, through your ignorance in childbearing, have caused a piece to break off the true God, if you will, so many of the Gnostics believe that women could not ascend back to the true God until they gathered up all the sparks, if you will, or pieces that they were responsible for breaking off the real God. On page 175 the Kreigers’ write:…
The word silent is the word hesuchia, and it means tranquil. She is not to cause a disturbance.
1 Timothy 2:13
For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
Now the problem in verse 12 is the phrase “have authority over.” This is the Greek word “authentane.” Authentane is translated in every version that I have looked at something like, “have authority over, dominion over, not to usurp authority from.” This is the way authentane is usually handled. In deference to many people who have tried to study these verses on their own, I will say that it has been very difficult to get to the truth….
…Now, if you see where this is flowing, what I want to do at this point is I want to anchor in the part about “teach.”
1 Timothy 2:12
I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority…
However, if teach and another word are linked in your understanding, then I can forbid one thing. Let me make this clearer. If I say to you, “I do not permit you to teach or discuss higher mathematics.” In that phrase in English, I am not saying that you cannot teach and you cannot discuss higher mathematics as in two separate things. I am saying you cannot teach or discuss higher mathematics. You can go out and teach something else. You can discuss something else, but you cannot teach or discuss higher mathematics….
Paul and Women Teachers:
Understanding 1Timothy, Chapters 1 & 2
By Dianne D. McDonnell from churchofgoddfw.com
“….What was Ephesus like?
It is helpful to understand the setting. Ephesus was a wealthy Asian city that revolved around the massive Temple of Artemis, one of the seven wonders of the ancient world. Understanding the religion of Artemis, also known as Diana, is very important in understanding the words Paul writes. Notice in the quotation below that Artemis, a fertility goddess, was believed to protect women during childbirth.
“‘Artemis of the Ephesians’ was not a Greek divinity, but Asiatic. This is shown by the fact that eunuchs were employed in her worship– a practice quite foreign to Greek ideas. She was not regarded as a virgin but as mother and foster-mother, as is clearly shown by the multitude of breasts in the rude effigy. She was undoubtedly a representative of the same power presiding over conception and birth that was adored in Palestine under the name Ashtoreth. Her worship, frantic and fanatical after the manner of Asia, was traced back to the Amazons. Her temple at Ephesus was one of the wonders of the world, but its great glory was the ‘image which fell down from heaven’ (Acts 19:35).” New Unger’s Bible Dictionary published by Moody Press of Chicago, Illinois, 1988. …
Myths and Genealogies
…The Amazons are believed by some historians to have been real women whose exploits were magnified into myth. These Amazons are reported to have believed they were not only equal to men, but far superior to men! Therefore, proponents of the Amazons’ goddess Artemis taught female superiority, and this background caused marital problems for the Christian couples of Ephesus! Paul addresses this problem in Ephesians 5:22 as he urges wives to defer to their Christian husbands. Many Ephesian women were told tales of Amazon battles and exploits in their pre-Christian days and taught that they were descended from Amazons– a superior female race! This would explain the false teachers devoting themselves to “myths and endless genealogies” mentioned in 1Tim 1:4. The long genealogies linked them to their Amazon predecessors, whom they believed to be real people that founded Ephesus. Paul was convinced that they were mythological. ..”
*shared by my Pastor, Pat F:
Fashioned to Reign: Empowering Women to Fulfill Their Divine Destiny Hardcover – August 15, 2013
Kris Vallotton (Author), Jack Hayford (Foreword) amazon.com
Why Not Women : A Biblical Study of Women in Missions, Ministry, and Leadership Paperback – August 1, 2000
by Loren Cunningham (Author), David Joel Hamilton (Author), Janice Rogers (Author) .amazon.com
What’s with Paul and Women? Paperback – April 2, 2010
Jon Zens (Author), Wade Burleson (Foreword) amazon.com
Discovering Biblical Equality: Complementarity Without Hierarchy Paperback – August 25, 2005
by Ronald W. Pierce (Editor), Rebecca Merrill Groothuis (Editor), Gordon D. Fee (Editor) amazon.com
Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood (Redesign): A Response to Evangelical Feminism Paperback – November 30, 2012
John Piper (Editor),
Wayne Grudem (Editor), J. Ligon Duncan (amazon.com)
Temple of Artemis
“Uploaded on May 31, 2008 (Randall Niles)
Temple of Artemis in the Book of Acts. Drive Thru History visits the biblical site of Ephesus where Paul challenged Demetrius and the silversmiths making statues of Artemis (Diana). Go to http://www.ColdWaterMedia.com to explore more videos in the Drive Thru History series.
Lesson 7: The Conduct Of Women In The Church (1 Timothy 2:9-15) bible.org
THE VARIOUS VERSIONS OF
THE WICKER MAN from steve-p.org
“… The community’s crops have failed and the islanders want Howie as a human sacrifice to appease their gods and ensure bountiful harvests in the future. The ultimate point the film was to make is this – what does Howie’s religion (albeit a more mainstream one than the islanders’) actually count for if he is alone in a sea of different beliefs? Unless deities actually exist, the winner in a conflict of religions is simply the one that has the muscle to enforce his doctrine….
The Wicker Man (2006) , from imdb.com
“…Edward travels to the private island of Summerisle, where Willow lives in an odd community that plant fruits, and she reveals that Rowan is actually their daughter. Along his investigation with the hostile and unhelpful dwellers, Edward discloses that the locals are pagans, practicing old rituals to improve their harvest, and Rowan is probably alive and being prepared to be sacrificed. When he locates the girl, he finds also the dark truth about the wicker man. ..
The Secret History of the Jesus Bloodline: The Child of Mary Magdalene
22:50 minute mark-“Jesus was a revolutionary by allowing women a voice and important place” (paraphrase)
What Does the Bible Say About Women? – OpenBible.info
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