Neutral Perspective: “Migrant & Immigrant Workers” take Jobs Nobody (Natives) Wants & Do Want?

DO WANT

How Unskilled Immigrants Hurt Our Economy
A handful of industries get low-cost labor, and the taxpayers foot the bill.

Steven Malanga
Summer 2006 The Social Order
California city-journal.org
“…Velasquez’s story illustrates some of the fault lines in the nation’s current, highly charged, debate on immigration. Since the mid-1960s, America has welcomed nearly 30 million legal immigrants and received perhaps another 15 million illegals, numbers unprecedented in our history. These immigrants have picked our fruit, cleaned our homes, cut our grass, worked in our factories, and washed our cars. But they have also crowded into our hospital emergency rooms, schools, and government-subsidized aid programs, sparking a fierce debate about their contributions to our society and the costs they impose on it…

Yet while these workers add little to our
economy, they come at great cost, because they are not economic abstractions but human beings, with their own culture and ideas—often at odds with our own. Increasing numbers of them arrive with little education and none of the skills necessary to succeed in a modern economy. Many may wind up stuck on our lowest economic rungs, where they will rely on something that immigrants of other generations didn’t have: a vast U.S. welfare and social-services apparatus that has enormously amplified the cost of immigration. Just as welfare reform and other policies are helping to shrink America’s underclass by weaning people off such social programs, we are importing a new, foreign-born underclass. As famed free-market economist Milton Friedman puts it: “It’s just obvious that you can’t have free immigration and a welfare state…..”

Immigration Is Hurting The U.S. Worker By Steven A. Camarota on April 1, 2007 cis.org
“..The United States needs fewer immigrants, not more. Lower levels of immigration, both legal and illegal make sense for my country because the growing number of undereducated people crossing our borders have hurt less educated native-born workers. The U.S. needs to focus on reducing overall immigration levels. This means a drop in the number of immigrants from Latin America, which accounts for half of the new arrivals, many of them at the lower end of the educational spectrum…”

Of Course Immigrants Take Jobs From People; But They Also Create Them For Others Tim Worstall , Contributor Apr 4, 2015 @ 09:07 AM 15,547 forbes.com
“..One of the standard arguments against immigration is that those immigrants then take a job or two that could have been done by some native born worker. This is, of course, entirely true: immigrants do indeed take jobs that could have been done by someone else, native born or not. However, that’s not the entire story. Immigrants also bring with them (whether they are documented or not) their own set of desires and needs. And fulfilling those desires and needs thus creates a job or two that other people can do: some of those will obviously go to the native born. So, yes, immigration does “steal jobs” but it also creates them. What we’d actually like to know then is what is the net effect: and the net effect is undoubtedly beneficial overall. Thus the reason that economists generally believe that immigration is a good thing..”

Migrant Workers Hurt by Slowdown

NEUTRAL

Yes, Immigration Hurts American Workers By GEORGE J. BORJAS September/October 2016 politico.com
The candidates tell drastically different stories about immigration. They’re both skipping half the truth.
“..Here’s the problem with the current immigration debate: Neither side is revealing the whole picture. Trump might cite my work, but he overlooks my findings that the influx of immigrants can potentially be a net good for the nation, increasing the total wealth of the population. Clinton ignores the hard truth that not everyone benefits when immigrants arrive. For many Americans, the influx of immigrants hurts their prospects significantly.

This second message might be hard for many Americans to process, but anyone who tells you that immigration doesn’t have any negative effects doesn’t understand how it really works. When the supply of workers goes up, the price that firms have to pay to hire workers goes down. Wage trends over the past half-century suggest that a 10 percent increase in the number of workers with a particular set of skills probably lowers the wage of that group by at least 3 percent. Even after the economy has fully adjusted, those skill groups that received the most immigrants will still offer lower pay relative to those that received fewer immigrants…

We don’t need to rely on complex statistical calculations to see the harm being done to some workers. Simply look at how employers have reacted. A decade ago, Crider Inc., a chicken processing plant in Georgia, was raided by immigration agents, and 75 percent of its workforce vanished over a single weekend. Shortly after, Crider placed an ad in the local newspaper announcing job openings at higher wages. Similarly, the flood of recent news reports on abuse of the H-1B visa program shows that firms will quickly dismiss their current tech workforce when they find cheaper immigrant workers…

When we look at the overall value of immigration, there’s one more complicating factor: Immigrants receive government assistance at higher rates than natives. The higher cost of all the services provided to immigrants and the lower taxes they pay (because they have lower earnings) inevitably implies that on a year-to-year basis immigration creates a fiscal hole of at least $50 billion—a burden that falls on the native population.”

Are immigrants taking U.S. jobs? debate.org

Does Illegal Immigration Disadvantage American Workers? immigration.procon.org

Does Immigration Cost Jobs? By Viveca Novak Posted on May 13, 2010 factcheck.org
Economists say immigration, legal or illegal, doesn’t hurt American workers.
‘..Miller makes it all sound so easy: Eight million illegal immigrants working in the U.S., 15 million unemployed American citizens and legal immigrants — we could cut the number of unemployed in half if we just booted out the illegal workers. “The numbers are simple,” he says.

The numbers certainly would be simple, if they worked that way. But they don’t…

Immigrant workers “create almost as many” jobs as they occupy, “and maybe more,” said Madeleine Sumption, policy analyst at the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute, which is funded by a range of foundations, corporations and international organizations. “They often create the jobs they work in.” In addition, “they buy things, and they make the economy bigger,” she told us…”

Do Undocumented Immigrants Hurt The Economy? Not Exactly – Newsy
https://youtu.be/ZoWfjWSQ_yo
*they pay for social security, which “they” will unlikely see using in the future

Stats

The Effects of Immigration on the United States’ budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu
“…Despite these increases in labor supply, in many cases immigrants appear to complement American-born workers rather than replacing them. Because less-educated immigrants often lack the linguistic skills required for many jobs, they tend to take jobs in manual labor-intensive occupations such as agriculture and construction. Even for low-skilled native-born workers in these industries, the effects of increased competition from immigrants are ambiguous, as many take advantage of their superior communication abilities and shift into occupations where these skills are more valuable, such as personal services and sales.
Similarly, highly educated immigrants face a disadvantage in communication-intensive jobs, and therefore tend to work in scientific and technical occupations. Highly skilled natives in management, media, and other culture- and language-dependent jobs face little competition from high skilled immigrants. The inflow of foreign labor is, therefore, concentrated in a subset of occupations that tend to employ many immigrants already. Consequently, it is earlier immigrants who face the greatest increase in competitive pressure….

More often than not, immigrants are less educated and their incomes are lower at all ages than those of natives. As a result, immigrants pay less in federal, state, and local taxes and use federally-funded entitlement programs such as Medicaid, SNAP, and other benefits at higher rates than natives. But they are also less likely than comparably low income natives to receive public assistance. Moreover, when they do take public assistance, the average value of benefits received is below average, implying a smaller net cost to the federal government relative to a comparable low income native.

However, immigrants often impose a heavier tax burden on natives at the state and local level. Immigrants — particularly those with low levels of education and income — generally have larger families and more children using public K-12 education, the largest component of state and local budgets. Furthermore, if immigrants’ children are not already fluent English speakers, the per-student cost of education may be substantially higher than for native-born children.
These factors impose short-term costs on state budgets. Over the long term, however, the upward economic mobility and taxpaying lifetime of second generation immigrants more than offset the initial fiscal burden.

NOBODY WANT

Debunking the Myth of the Job-Stealing Immigrant On Money By ADAM DAVIDSON MARCH 24, 2015 nytimes.com

“..But immigrants aren’t oranges. It might seem intuitive that when there is an increase in the supply of workers, the ones who were here already will make less money or lose their jobs. Immigrants don’t just increase the supply of labor, though; they simultaneously increase demand for it, using the wages they earn to rent apartments, eat food, get haircuts, buy cellphones. That means there are more jobs building apartments, selling food, giving haircuts and dispatching the trucks that move those phones. Immigrants increase the size of the overall population, which means they increase the size of the economy. Logically, if immigrants were “stealing” jobs, so would every young person leaving school and entering the job market; countries should become poorer as they get larger. In reality, of course, the opposite happens.

Most anti-immigration arguments I hear are variations on the Lump of Labor Fallacy. That immigrant has a job. If he didn’t have that job, somebody else, somebody born here, would have it. This argument is wrong, or at least wildly oversimplified. But it feels so correct, so logical. And it’s not just people like my grandfather making that argument. Our government policy is rooted in it…”

Immigrants Aren’t Stealing American Jobs Tanvi Misra, CityLab Oct 21, 2015 theatlantic.com
More evidence surfaces that low-skilled native workers pursue different jobs than their immigrant counterparts.
“..Urban’s Maria E. Enchautegui studied a cohort of 16 million American workers without high school diplomas. She found that within this group, immigrants and native-born workers do very different jobs. In fact, she writes that native and immigrant workers at this level of education are much more dissimilar when it comes to their role in the job market than are workers at other levels of educational attainment. Here’s how she summarizes these results and their implication in a blog post:..”

Immigrants do jobs natives won’t do openborders.info
“..One of the arguments offered by supporters of expanded immigration, particularly in the context of low-skilled immigration to the United States, is that “immigrants do jobs that natives won’t do.” This argument, in the form stated, is incorrect, or at any rate, misleading. However, it does capture a conclusion many economists reach, which some have summarized as: “immigrants do jobs that wouldn’t exist if the immigrants weren’t there to do them.”

This position has been critiqued by many who are critical of immigration. For instance, in a syndicated column titled Immigration Taboos, Thomas Sowell writes:..

However, the actual economic argument is more subtle, and not so easy to ridicule. The key is to remember that prices not only affect the quantity of labor supply, but also the quantity of labor demand. If the supply curve shrinks inward because immigrants are not allowed in the labor market, then the price of labor increases, but the quantity supplied decreases, so overall, there are fewer jobs and less production…”

Foreign Workers Take Jobs Americans Don’t Want

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Jobs Americans Won’t Do? numbersusa.org
“..According to the Pew Hispanic Center, there are approximately 8.3 million illegal workers in the United States. Only 4% of illegal workers work in agriculture (Pew Hispanic Trust, Tables 5 & 6), where most laborers are foreign-born and employers have a legal guestworker program (the H-2a visa) to supply all the seasonal labor they need. Nationally, 25% (of 1.4 million) crop laborers are U.S. citizens; 21% are legal immigrant workers (including H-2a workers); and 53% are illegal workers (National Agricultural Workers Survey). In the midwest, 48% are citizens, 23% are legal permanent residents, and 29% are illegal workers…’

5 Reasons Why Immigrants Do Not Take Natives’ Jobs By Prof. Amelie F. Constant, Ph.D. huffingtonpost.com
“..In my World of Labor article “Do migrants take the jobs of native workers?“ I lay down the pros and cons of the impact of migration on natives and show that ‘migrants rarely take native workers’ jobs, and indeed they tend to boost employment effects in the long term.’ The five reasons are: a) self-employed migrants directly create new jobs; b) migrant innovators indirectly create jobs; c) new migrants fill labor shortages and lubricate the labor markets; d) the high-skilled contribute to technological adaptation and the low-skilled to occupational mobility, specialization, and human capital creation thus creating new jobs; e) by raising demand, immigrants cause firms to expand and hire more workers.

Public opinion research carried out in the U.S., France, Germany and the UK after the 2008-2009 recession also supports that finding. Accordingly, most people believe that immigrants fill job vacancies and many believe that they create jobs, rather than taking jobs away from native workers (see Figure 1)…”

Jobs Americans Won’t Do? A Detailed Look at Immigrant Employment by Occupation By Steven A. Camarota and Karen Zeigler on August 17, 2009 cis.org
“…This analysis tests the often-made argument that immigrants only do jobs Americans don’t want. If the argument is correct, there should be occupations comprised entirely or almost entirely of immigrants. But Census Bureau data collected from 2005 to 2007, which allow for very detailed analysis, show that even before the recession there were only a tiny number of majority-immigrant occupations. (Click here to see detailed table.)

Among the findings:

Of the 465 civilian occupations, only four are majority immigrant. These four occupations account for less than 1 percent of the total U.S. workforce. Moreover, native-born Americans comprise 47 percent of workers in these occupations.
Many jobs often thought to be overwhelmingly immigrant are in fact majority native-born: ..”

Agriculture

‘They’re Scared’: Immigration Fears Exacerbate Migrant Farmworker Shortage 5:48 September 27, 20178:00 AM ET Melissa Block Marisa Penaloza – Square
“..As in the rest of the country, growers in heavily agricultural northern Michigan rely overwhelmingly on migrant laborers to work the fields and orchards. Most of the pickers are from Mexico. Growers say it’s just about impossible to find Americans to do this work. ..”

Wages rise on California farms. Americans still don’t want the job By Natalie Kitroeff and Geoffrey Mohan March 17, 2017 | reporting from Stockton, Calif. latimes.com
Trump’s immigration crackdown is supposed to help U.S. citizens. For California farmers, it’s worsening a desperate labor shortage.
‘..Solorio is one of a growing number of agricultural businessmen who say they face an urgent shortage of workers. The flow of labor began drying up when President Obama tightened the border. Now President Trump is promising to deport more people, raid more companies and build a wall on the southern border…”

That has made California farms a proving ground for the Trump team’s theory that by cutting off the flow of immigrants they will free up more jobs for American-born workers and push up their wages.

So far, the results aren’t encouraging for farmers or domestic workers.

Farmers are being forced to make difficult choices about whether to abandon some of the state’s hallmark fruits and vegetables, move operations abroad, import workers under a special visa or replace them altogether with machines.

Growers who can afford it have already begun raising worker pay well beyond minimum wage. Wages for crop production in California increased by 13% from 2010 to 2015, twice as fast as average pay in the state, according to a Los Angeles Times analysis of data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics…”

-Dairy Farms

The Worst Job In New York: Immigrant America
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Milking cows is a dirty, monotonous job, and as we found out in our latest episode of Immigrant America, it’s not a job many unemployed Americans are willing to do. But for some reason the government doesn’t give dairy farms a way to recruit foreign workers legally, so most feel forced to hire illegal immigrants. This makes the farms and their workers easy targets for immigration authorities looking to fill deportation quotas. We went to upstate New York to try to understand the cat and mouse game going on between dairy farms and immigration authorities. We found a lot of wasted taxpayer money, racial profiling, and a broken system that unnecessarily treats family farmers and hardworking immigrants like criminals.

Read more: Unauthorized Immigrants Paid $100 Billion Into Social Security Over Last Decade: http://bit.ly/1o7iyfZ”

Food Prices Will Go Up

What Would America’s Food Supply Look Like Without Immigrant Labor? Wyatt Marshall Jan 31 2017, 2:00pm munchies.vice.com
If Trump follows through with plans to restrict immigration and deport undocumented immigrants, some industry experts say that farms and factories could be left scrambling, and the price tag for food could inflate dramatically.

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Sports: Baseball Spotlight-“Roberto Clemente” of Pittsburgh Pirates

Roberto Clemente Stats, Fantasy & News | MLB.com
“Year AB R H HR RBI SB AVG OBP OPS
MLB Career Stats 9454 1416 3000 240 1305 83 .317 .359 .834
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Roberto Clemente (The Great One) MLB Legends

Roberto Clemente’s ‘problem’ is ours too Jan 15, 2017 | 2 comments nurturingfaith.net
“..However, his treatment as a young player coming from his native Puerto Rico to the states was far less dignified and truly shameful. When Clemente left the island to play professional baseball in the Los Angeles Dodgers organization he experienced unexpected discrimination based solely on skin tone — something African Americans here had long experienced.

Years earlier, as a starting pitcher for the Chicago Cubs in 1942, Hiram Bithorn became the first Puerto Rican to play in the major leagues. That was five years before Jackie Robinson “broke the color barrier.” But there was a big difference: Bithorn had light skin like all the other players in the majors.

Slugger Vic Power became the first Puerto Rican to play in the American League. But due to his dark skin, he received a different reception.

While racism is a most serious matter, Power was known to confront it with his quick wit. A long-told story from the 1950s recalls Power entering a diner and being told by the waitress, “We don’t serve Negroes,” to which he replied: “That’s OK, I don’t eat Negroes; just bring me some beans and rice.”..

..Black Pirates players were also excluded from viewing a film at a downtown theater that highlighted the 1960 World Series — as well as the annual Pirates golf tournament at the Fort Myers Country Club.

Wendell Smith, the groundbreaking African-American sportswriter who featured prominently in Jackie Robinson’s story, led the public campaign against training camp segregation.

Not mincing words, Smith wrote in the Pittsburgh Courier to and for black stars of the Chicago White Sox who trained in Sarasota: “Despite all your achievements and fame, the vicious system of racial segregation in Florida’s hick towns condemns you to a life of humiliation and ostracism.”..

Clemente and other dark-skinned players, who broke into major league baseball in the ’50s, would be forced to stay on the team bus while the white players enjoyed a meal in a nice restaurant. Their food came later when teammates would bring a burger or something else back to the bus.

Clemente, who was unfamiliar with such racial discrimination in Puerto Rico, saw the practice as insulting — what he considered to be “begging for food.” He told the other black players that anyone caught doing such a thing would have to fight him to get it.

It is gratifying to remember Roberto Clemente — deemed by biographer Maraniss as “baseball’s last hero” — for his gifted athleticism and the altruism that brought his earthly life to an early end.

But we need to remember more — especially this weekend. Racism is ugly, awful, sinful and inexcusable wherever and whenever it is found. It is not the will of God, yet it is not easily overcome. It lingers and even gets resurrected….


..A younger black player for the Pirates, Al Oliver, considered Clemente a mentor and person of sterling character. He told Maraniss that Clemente “had a problem with people who treat you differently because of where you were from, your nationality, your color, also poor people…”

Well, Jesus had a problem with that too. We should all see that as a problem — and give voice to it.”

Roberto Clemente tribute- the greatest plays & games in his career ending in tragedy.

“God wanted me to play baseball”

Roberto Clemente – Plimpton Interview

BASEBALL; Clemente’s Oldest Son the Keeper of the Flame By CLAIRE SMITH Published: January 10, 1994 nytimes.com
“… Twenty-one years later, Clemente’s gift of charity and humanitarian efforts still lives, not only in spirit, but in the person of Roberto Clemente Jr., the eldest of the three sons of the late Pirate great.

Clemente Jr., 28 years old and a former minor league ballplayer, is taking up where his father left off. Already active in baseball’s RBI program (Reviving Baseball in the Inner Cities) in Puerto Rico, he has now set out to uplift the children of Pittsburgh. There he is organizing the Roberto Clemente Foundation, a not-for-profit organization designed to aid the needy in areas of education and athletics. ..”

MLB: Fan Fest 14′ Spotlight-Roberto Clemente (wife Vera & son Jr. sharing)

From Cuba To Cooperstown: The History Of Latinos In Baseball #Baseball #MLB uproxx.com
“..Clemente wasn’t the first player to break through into the majors as a legitimate Latino threat, though. This month, Hennessy All-Stars is celebrating Erick Aybar of the Los Angeles Angels, a Dominican Republic star who has a Golden Glove and All-Star appearance to his name. Hennessy is honoring the history and culture of Latin athletes in the sport, athletes like Aybar and Clemente, who solidified the notion that Hispanic players were here to stay, a path later followed by David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez, and other stars who ingrained their heritage into the fabric of the sport…

Laying Down Roots

The roots of baseball in Latino nations can be traced back to Cuba, when young Cubans studying in the states returned home with a working knowledge of the sport. It took at least a decade for the U.S. pastime to catch on, but in 1878, the first Cuban baseball league held its inaugural game. During that time, in which Cuba assimilated the sport, Estevan Enrique “Steve” Bellán — the first Latino player to play in professional leagues in the states — made his debut in the U.S.’ National Association of Baseball Players (NABBP). Born in Havana, Cuba, Bellán studied at St. John’s College in New York, then embarked on a career in early American baseball leagues. He played big league ball from 1868 until 1873, before returning to his native Cuba to help cultivate the county’s growing infatuation with the sport as a player/manager. To this day, Bellán is credited as one of the forefathers of Cuban baseball, shuttling his experience in the states to his birthplace and using his position to infuse the first crop of Latino baseball players with the necessary fundamentals and skills to excel in the growing competition..

Breaking Barriers

Citing the growing talent of the Cuban leagues, the Cincinnati Reds visited the island in 1908 to engage in a series of exhibitions against some of the country’s top talent. In a five-game series, Cuba’s Almendares club bested the Reds, winning four of the games played. The American organization was highly impressed with two specific players: Armando Marsáns and Rafael Almeida. Marsáns and Almeida took their skills to the American minor leagues for a few seasons, but in 1911, the Reds called up the players to join their major league team, the pair becoming the first athletes from Cuba to become major leaguers since Bellán. While Almeida struggled to get off the ground — after three seasons, he was sent back to the minors — Marsáns became a rising star, ranking in the top of the National League for batting average and stolen bases. Following a career full of injuries, Marsáns ended his tenure in the majors in 1918 — last playing for the New York Yankees — then later serving as the first Cuban manager of an American minor league team….

The 1930s saw a spike in players of Latin decent entering the major leagues. Baldomero Almada debuted with the Boston Red Sox in 1933 as the first Mexican to join the upper echelon of baseball. Almada played professionally for seven seasons, and shortly after his arrival, José Góme — the second Mexican major leaguer — made his debut, becoming the first Latino player to join the Phillies organization. In 1938, a milestone was reached when Miguel Angel González — a Cuban player turned coach — became the interim manager for the St. Louis Cardinals, marking the first time a Latino held that position in the majors…

Jackie Robinson struck his fist through the racial barrier in 1947. Robinson’s signing to the Dodgers signaled that the color line, which had prevented African-Americans, as well as black Latinos from reaching the pinnacle of the sport, was about to dissolve. That dissolution became even more clear when, in 1949, the aforementioned “Minnie” Miñoso became the first black Latino player to join the MLB when he debuted with Cleveland Indians…

The floodgates for Latino players to join the ranks of professional American baseball proceeded to swing open. The aperture widened even further when Fidel Castro’s regime shut down the Cuban League in 1961, this coming on the heels of the last Negro Leagues collapsing at the tail end of the ’50s. In the ’60s and ’70s, players from Puerto Rico, Panama, Mexico, the Dominican Republic, and Venezuela — among other Latin American nations — started streaming into the majors, and new stars were born. Juan Marichal, Rod Carew, and Tony Perez all set out on Hall of Fame careers during this era. Showing that an affinity for the contributions of Latino players is also retroactive, Martín Dihigo — an electrifying Cuban player who was a threat in all nine positions and competed in Negro, Mexican, and Cuban leagues — was elected into the Hall at Cooperstown in 1977, without ever having played an MLB game…”

Outside of Baseball

21 Facts You May Not Know About Roberto Clemente on the Anniversary of His Debut Tim Karan April 17, 2012 bleacherreport.com
“…1. Roberto Clemente Walker was the youngest of seven children born to Don Melchor Clemente and Luisa Walker. He was born on Aug. 18, 1934, in Carolina, Puerto Rico—the same town boxers Esteban De Jesus and Alfredo Escalera called home…

7. On July 25, 1956, he became the only player ever to hit a walk-off inside-the-park grand slam. He did it in a 9-8 win over the Cubs at Forbes field.

8. Clemente enlisted in the U.S. Marine Corps Reserve after the 1958 season and spent six months on active duty at Parris Island, South Carolina and Camp LeJeune, North Carolina. He served until 1964 and was inducted into the Marine Corps Sports Hall of Fame in 2003.


14. Nearly as well-known for his humanitarian efforts as his baseball career, Clemente sent shipments of aid to Nicaragua after an earthquake ravaged the country in late 1972. Clemente decided to accompany the packages when he learned that three previous shipments had been diverted by corrupt Somoza government officials….

16. Clemente’s teammate Manny Sanguillen was the only Pirate not to attend the memorial service. That’s because he instead traveled to Puerto Rico to dive into the waters where the plane crashed in an effort to recover Clemente’s body—which was never found…”

Beyond Baseball: The Life of Roberto Clemente robertoclemente.si.edu
“…Clemente’s name has been used for stadiums, schools, hospitals, and highways in Puerto Rico, the United States, Nicaragua, and places as distant as Germany.

After his death, Major League Baseball established an award that bears Clemente’s name, recognizing the player who, besides being a good athlete, emulates Clemente’s philanthropy and humanitarianism.

In Puerto Rico an award in his name is given at public schools to those who excel as athletes, students, and citizens…”

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Deep Thoughts: Prayers for Victims of California’s Wild Fires

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California fires: Santa Rosa, city devastated by flames – YouTube

Santa Rosa and Napa wildfire destruction from above 13 October 2017 From the section US & Canada bbc.com

“..Deadly wildfires in northern California have destroyed more than 3,500 buildings and forced 25,000 people to leave their homes.

Firefighters are still battling the fires which have at least 40 dead and left scars across 170,000 acres (265 square miles) of land. Satellite images show the extent of the around the city of Santa Rosa…”

Coffey Park in Santa Rosa is Ground Zero for California fire devastation Jonathan J. Cooper | AP October 14 2017 scpr.org
A US flag hangs on a tree in the widfire-ravaged Coffey Park neighborhood of Santa Rosa, California, on October 11, 2017. ROBYN BECK/AFP/Getty Images
“..Coffey Park, a square mile of middle-class homes and friendly neighbors on the northern edge of Santa Rosa, was among the hardest hit areas from the series of wildfires that broke out Oct. 8 in Northern California. Dozens died, and thousands of homes were destroyed, 2,800 alone from the Tubbs Fire that scorched Santa Rosa.

Fueled by fierce winds, the flames chewed up hillsides, jumped over a six-lane highway and sent thousands fleeing for their lives. Many had nothing but the clothes they wore, leaving behind all their possessions and a lifetime of mementos.

At least two of the dead were killed in Coffey Park — a number that could rise once authorities sift through ash to see if there are bone fragments, teeth, medical devices or anything else that could identify human remains…”

California Wildfire Oct.2017;TREE BURNING FROM INSIDE – YouTube

Santa Rosa & Northern CA Fires DEFY THE LAWS of PHYSICS (Where’d the houses go??)

Published on Oct 10, 2017

for eyes that can see, there is something wrong here, the melting/ burning point of common household materials like glass (2600℉) and stainless steel (2800℉) are DOUBLE the temperature of house and forest fires (1100℉) … and you might expect Rod Sterling to pop out at any moment in this footage..bc it’s like the Twilight Zone!!
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Strange Anomaly over Santa Rosa During Fire – YouTube

Possible Causes???

Wildfire 2017 California-Drone footage-KMart Burned -Trees Untouched!!!!Officials Asked about DEW

How and Why CA Fires Were DEW Created

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Agenda 21 Depopulation California For 21st October 2017 But Trump Has Another Plan ?

Strange Anomaly over Santa Rosa During Fire

SANTA ROSA CALIFORNIA FIRES | DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPON | SMOKING GUN!!! | THE EVIDENCE | TruthSec

Unprecedented California Wildfires Started with Directed Energy Weapons & 5G – Latest Analysis
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Unprecedented California Wildfires Started with Directed Energy Weapons – Latest Analysis
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Scorched earth: Aerial views of California wildfire aftermath

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California Fires Destroyed 8,400 Buildings, Evacuees Check Homes …
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California ‘horror’ fires kill at least 38, deadliest in state history – AOL.com
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Oct 14, 2017 – It is a horror that no one could have imagined,” California Governor Jerry Brown told a news conference in Santa Rosa. The fires have …

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California Wildfire: See Video of Family Reuniting With Dog | Time.com
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Unknown Fire Hero: Santa Rosa Teacher Wants to Thank Man Who …
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“Peanuts” creator Charles Schulz’s home burns down in Santa Rosa fire
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Santa Rosa & Northern CA Fires DEFY THE LAWS of PHYSICS (Where’d the houses go??)

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Pre-storm Tips

This Guy’s Brilliant Reason for Hanging Trash Bags on His Door Has 160,000-Plus Americans Sharing With Friends in Florida conservativefighters.com

“…If you can’t get a hold of sandbags, Sweat explained he’s learned a trash bag one-third filled with water can make a “good substitute.” As for the garage, he noted that sealing it off with duct tape can be a good way to prevent “water intrusion.” He also added that paint cans and five-gallon buckets can serve as a good way to easily elevate furniture.

Even if you’re evacuating, he suggested that everyone trip the main breaker so the electricity in the house isn’t running. An electric current and water is a lethal combination; Sweat revealed that a volunteer, who went to check on a house, was electrocuted and killed because the power was on.

For those who didn’t evacuate, Sweat urged people to wear clothes to bed because “nothing looks worse than seeing people on the news in water-logged nightgowns and boxer shorts.”

His other tips included wearing hard-soled shoes and carrying identification, a flashlight, and a large white sheet to signal for help if necessary…”

Caribbean Islands

Bahamas

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Hurricane Irma Causes Ocean to Disappear in Bahamas
Susan Patterson –
September 9, 2017 thealternativedaily.com


“…Insane storm surge

The loss of the ocean is actually due to the proximity of Irma to the Bahamas and the storm’s low-pressure center. When a storm has such an intense low pressure, it can impact the surface of the water because there is less atmospheric pressure being applied. If you were to take a look at a cross section of the storm through the water you would see a bulging effect. This bulging is the storm surge that Irma borrowed from the area around the Bahamas. It is quite noticeable in Long Island because this is a shallow area with unvarying depth. This causes the impact to be so remarkable.
When will the water come back?

The ocean around Long Island will gradually come back as Irma moves on and she steals extra water under the low pressure from somewhere else…”

Ocean ‘disappears’ as killer Hurricane Irma sucks water away from shores on devastating path

Hurricane Irma Spreading Tropical Storm Conditions Across Florida Keys; Dangerous Major Hurricane Strike Expected in Florida Keys Sunday Morning Sep 10 2017 12:30 AM EDT
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“..Hurricane Irma, currently spreading tropical storm conditions and gusts near hurricane force across the Florida Keys, is less than 12 hours from a potentially catastrophic Category 3 or 4 hurricane strike on Florida – the state’s strongest hurricane strike since Charley, 13 years ago…”

Hurricane Irma track LIVE: Watch Hurricane Irma’s path mapped in real time PUBLISHED: 05:00, Sun, Sep 10, 2017 | UPDATED: 05:31, Sun, Sep 10, 2017 express.co.uk
HURRICANE Irma continues to tear through the Cuba as the deadly cyclone pushes towards Florida. Watch the category 3 hurricane’s path in real time right here.
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Hurricane Irma exposes racial tensions on smashed St. Martin By thomas adamson and danica m. coto, associated press MARIGOT, St. Martin — Sep 11, 2017, 3:23 PM ET abcnews.go.com
“… It’s common practice for tourists to be evacuated first from disaster zones for practical reasons, as they are staying in hotels and not in their homes and tend to have fewer resources such as food and vehicles. The French prime minister insisted Monday that the only people being prioritized were the most vulnerable.

Government spokesman Christophe Castaner said he understood islanders’ frustration with the government response but blamed part of the controversy on their “emotional shock, an impact that’s extremely hard psychologically.”

Soudiagom and other witnesses told Guadeloupe 1ere that the boat they took Friday carried tourists, including Americans, to safety but left many St. Martin residents behind, including needy mothers and children…”

Florida

Irma begins to batter Florida with hurricane-force winds; tornadoes reported By EMILY SHAPIRO Michael Edison Hayden Morgan Winsor JULIA JACOBO David Caplan Sep 10, 2017, 12:18 AM ET abcnews.go.com
“..The worst and most extreme winds from Irma will begin to impact the Florida Keys shortly after midnight, with the center of Irma expected to pass over the Keys between 6 a.m. and 9 a.m. ET, Peck said. ..

The storm, which was downgraded to Category 3 after making landfall as a rare Category 5 hurricane in Cuba overnight, has sent 75,000 people into shelters in Florida. More than six million people have been warned to evacuate its path. ..

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-Dry Ocean Shore

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-Evacuate

Bucs WR Bernard Reedy helps wheelchair-bound residents escape Hurricane Irma

“..While many Floridians have raced out of state to avoid Hurricane Irma, a brave few have put themselves in harm’s way to help others get to a safe place One of those such heroes is Tampa Bay Buccaneers wide receiver Bernard Reedy, who remained in the path of the storm to help wheelchair-bound residents escape the storm Heading into training camp, Reedy was somewhat of a long-shot to make the Bucs’ 53-man roster, but his special teams prowess and impressive speed helped him lock in a spot for Week 1 ..”
NFL player helps wheelchair-bound residents avoid Hurricane Irma Updated: 1:28 PM EDT Sep 10, 2017 National Desk Staff wtae.com
“..Wide receiver Bernard Reedy has worked for Care Ride, a company that helps transport wheelchair-bound residents, making $11 per hour, according to a Sunday story from the NFL team.
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But he decided to give the transportation service a call and has worked to help people in the Tampa Bay area evacuate during the past few days as the storm arrives, the story says.

Reedy started the transportation-service position after he was cut by the Falcons in 2015 and saw a Care Ride van client being dropped off at a Burger King, the Tampa Bay Times reported.

He said he’d rather not sit at home after he’s done working out.

According to the newspaper, Care Ride administrator Doug Johnson jokingly offered earlier this month to raise Reedy’s salary to $13 per hour with the hopes of keeping Reedy…”

-Eye

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-Flood

The Water Is Rising Fast At The Airport In #Miami #Florida #HurricaneIrma Is Not Holding Up #GiveOrTakeMedia

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Destructive winds, rain hit Florida as Hurricane Irma’s makes landfall in the Keys
By Perry Stein, Joel Achenbach, Wesley Lowery and Mark Berman September 10 at 9:41 AM .washingtonpost.com
“..MIAMI — The fierce winds of Hurricane Irma regained Category 4 strength with winds of 130 mph early Sunday, as the storm’s eye made it to the lower Florida Keys just before 9 a.m. The massive storm already has caused hundreds of thousands of power outages across South Florida, its leading edge lashing several major population centers.

The National Weather Service said the storm made landfall at Cudjoe Key in the lower Florida Keys at 9:10 a.m. on Sunday morning. Forecasters warn that a second landfall could happen later on Sunday.

Officials said storm surges in the Keys reach a devastating five to 10 feet there before the hurricane slowly proceeds up the state’s west coast….

While the National Hurricane Center had downgraded Irma to a Category 3 storm Saturday, the storm was upgraded again to Category 4 early Sunday. At 5 a.m., weather officials said the storm was plodding northwest at about 8 miles per hour, placing it on pace to reach Naples by about 5 p.m. The storm could potentially make a second landfall further north on Sunday….”
Category 4 Hurricane Irma Makes Landfall in the Florida Keys; Strongest Keys Strike in 57 Years
Sep 10 2017 09:30 AM EDT
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-Tornados

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*note : false tornado from Irma, but from Texas in another storm!

-Winds

WE READY 😈💜🙌🏾💯 #PRAYFORFLORIDA #ITSONTHEWAY #BESAFERVERYBODY

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😂😂😂 storm chaser tests his luck in #hurricaneirma…. thoughts?

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Conspiracies???

Rush Limbaugh Says Hurricane Irma Is Conspiracy, Evacuates Anyway
POLITICS 09/08/2017 10:16 am ET Updated 1 day ago By Jenna Amatulli huffingtonpost.com
The conservative host claimed the “fear and panic” surrounding Irma is “dangerous” on Tuesday.

“…Limbaugh has long been hell-bent on saying hurricanes and storms like it are part of a liberal conspiracy solely aimed at furthering the discussion on climate change, but his claims about Irma in his Tuesday broadcast sent many over the edge. ..”

HAARP waves seen in Florida with hurricane Irma
https://youtu.be/cDneXRUJ6Jo
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Published on Sep 10, 2017
HAARP waves appear as flashes especially with the earthquake engineered in Mexico. “

MEXICO EARTHQUAKE by HAARP? (FOOTAGE CAUGHT ON CAMERA – 2017)

MEDIA

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LIVE TRACKING OF HURRICANE IRMA

Pray!

Hurricane Irma Live: ‘Biggest Thing’ to Do Is Pray, Florida Governor Says By THE NEW YORK TIMESUPDATED 2:39 PM Continue reading the main story .nytimes.com
“..The biggest thing you can do now is pray,” Gov. Rick Scott said on Sunday afternoon.

Irma was downgraded on Sunday afternoon to a Category 3 hurricane, with maximum sustained winds near 120 miles per hour, down from 130 m.p.h., according to the National Hurricane Center. The center said that while the storm was weakening, it was “expected to remain a powerful hurricane.”

The storm thrashed the Florida Keys early Sunday morning. A television news broadcast showed entire homes, and a person standing on a balcony, nearly submerged…”

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A $150 Billion Misfire: How Disaster Models Got Irma WrongBy Brian K Sullivan ‎September‎ ‎11‎, ‎2017‎ ‎6‎:‎50‎ ‎PM Updated on ‎September‎ ‎12‎, ‎2017‎ ‎12‎:‎10‎ ‎PM bloomberg.com
“..By one estimate, the total cost dropped to about $50 billion Monday from $200 billion over the weekend. The state escaped the worst because Irma’s eye shifted away from the biggest population center of Miami-Dade County.

The credit goes to the Bermuda High, which acts like a sort of traffic cop for the tropical North Atlantic Ocean. The circular system hovering over Bermuda jostled Irma onto northern Cuba Saturday, where being over land sapped it of some power, and then around the tip of the Florida peninsula, cutting down on storm surge damage on both coasts of the state.
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…In the end, Irma landed on the Florida Keys as a Category 4 hurricane with 130-mile (209 kilometers) per hour winds, then as a Category 3 at Marco Island. It reached the Tampa Bay area as a Category 2. By contrast, Hurricane Andrew in 1992 plowed into the east side of Florida as a Category 5…”

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Life Challenge: Cost of being on the “Celebrity Spotlight”?

Musician

Tulisa: The Price of Fame


“..Published on Jul 29, 2014

Documentary which follows the last 12 months in the singer Tulisa Contostavlos’s life. Combining self-shot diary footage with actuality the programme shows what’s it’s really like to be on the receiving end of a tabloid sting and its consequences. The film charts Tulisa’s highs and her lows, her arrest, her charge, state of mind and suicide attempt and her treatment at the hands of the tabloid press as she travels to the brink of disaster before her case collapses and she regains her life and her reputation.

Hard-hitting and harrowing, the film lifts the lid on this episode in the singer’s life and in doing so tells us about the nature of celebrity culture and how it feels to be a major celebrity facing public ruin…”

Update:

Fake Sheikh’ Mazher Mahmood guilty over Tulisa case 5 October 2016 From the section UK bbc.com
“The reporter, 53, was found to have altered evidence in the collapsed drugs trial of singer Tulisa Contostavlos.

His driver, Alan Smith, 67, was also found guilty of the same charge following a trial at the Old Bailey.

Lawyers say 18 other people targeted by Mahmood now plan to bring civil claims against him, which could total £800m.

Some of the individuals were convicted of crimes which, they argued at the time, came as the result of false evidence…”

Celebrities

Johnny Depp On The Cost Of Fame (HD)

Michael Jackson and the ‘extreme’ price of fame updated 8:44 a.m. EDT, Mon June 29, 2009 cnn.com
“..”The public at large has yet to really understand the pressures of childhood celebrity, which, while exciting, always exacts a very heavy price,” Jackson wrote in 2000 in a column for the religious Web site beliefnet. “More than anything, I wished to be a normal little boy. I wanted to build tree houses and go to roller-skating parties. But very early on, this became impossible.”..

“The problem with that is he never really had a personal life. He never had a chance to live.”

For Jackson, the pressures of celebrity “exaggerated and exacerbated” what likely already were some deep emotional and mental wounds, according to Wanis…


Michael Jackson had girlfriends, wanted a normal life, bodyguards claim
Vicki Hyman | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com By Vicki Hyman | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com on March 09, 2010 at 9:40 AM, updated March 09, 2010 at 10:04 AM

Michael Jackson – Price Of Fame (lyrics) 1080p


“..Published on Sep 22, 2012

New Song From Bad 25..”

Brooke Shields: Her Controversial Secrets Revealed 90skidsonly.com
“..In 2012, Brooke went through the most heartbreaking thing she had ever faced – the death of her mother. Brooke’s mom was one of her biggest inspirations, both in her career and personal life. Brooke regretted that her and her late mother never got the chance to talk through their obviously troubled relationship. With Brooke posing nude at just 8-years old and being a teenager when working for Playboy, her childhood was quickly stripped of its innocence, something she felt guilty about when it came to her mom…”

Bible Verses about being Quiet biblestudytools.com

Spotlight: Who was Michael Jackson (“king of pop music”)?

New MJ Documentary: March, 2017 (Man in the Mirror) with Earnest Valentino


“..Published on Apr 3, 2017

Earnest Valentino makes several appearances as the adult Michael Jackson throughout the Documentary which shows the pain, and suffering Michael Jackson endured while being used, abused, and accused from those he thought were his friends.

This was very difficult for me, and challenging to say the least….”

-Early Life Battles



‘…When the Jackson 5 reached national fame with Motown, Michael was only 11 years old. In short time he and his brothers were touring around the country to audiences that including thousands of adoring female fans. During these road trips, Michael witnessed sexual liaisons between his brothers and female groupies – they often had sex in the same room where he slept. Sometimes his father would sleep with the young women who showed up after performances eager for a connection with the famous family. Joseph warned his sons not to tell their mother about his secret and no matter how much Michael may have wanted to expose his father, for a Jehovah’s Witness, a father’s word is gospel. A key scripture repeated over and over again is the one admonishing children to honor their father and mother in all things. If a child questions their parent, or fails to submit to their direction, it is viewed as a sin against God, so it creates an atmosphere where its seems best to stay quiet and say nothing. Michael expressed disgust by his father’s behavior and betrayal of his mother but said nothing to her about it – he was torn. Disobey his father and God, or lie to his mother – it was an difficult choice he preferred not to make…”

“..Things came to a head over the Thriller video. Michael came up with the concept for the Thriller video after watching the horror-fantasy film An American Werewolf in London. He hired its director, John Landis to direct the 14 min video which included special effects combining illusion with reality. In the video Michael is transformed into a monster who dances with a troupe of ghouls newly emerged from their graves. It was a unique and revolutionary concept and approach to music videos that would transform MTV and the music business generally, but to church elders it was viewed as advocating Satanism and the occult. When they confronted him about it – Michael initially refused to repudiate his work. However, when he was threatened with disfellowshipping – spiritual death – if he failed to comply, Michael became very upset. He called his lawyer – John Branca – and ordered him to destroy the master tapes of the video, which had cost more than one million dollars to produce. After days of back and forth, with Michael repeatedly asserting the tapes had to be destroyed – his lawyer came up with a compromise. He suggested that Michael could place a disclaimer at the beginning of the video stating that it did not reflect Michael’s personal or religious convictions. Michael thought this was a great idea and agreed to do so. The disclaimer, [“Due to my strong personal convictions , I wish to stress that this film in no way endorses a belief in the occult-Michael Jackson“] viewed by millions of people who watched Thriller on MTV – got Michael a reprieve from the church – at least in the short run. However, the issues surrounding the Thriller video was not the only problem Michael faced with church elders…”

‘…Michael: Right, I’m trying to imitate Jesus in the fact that he said to be like children, to love children, to be as pure as children and to make yourself as innocent and to see the world through eyes of wonderment and the whole magical quality of it all – and I love that. And we’ll have like a hundred bald headed children, they all have cancer and they’re all running around…..”

-Criminal Charges

Michael Jackson child abuse case: New shock revelations from his lawyer and manager By Stefan Kyriazis
PUBLISHED: 12:08, Wed, Jun 22, 2016 | UPDATED: 13:22, Wed, Jun 22, 2016 express.co.uk
“..Michael Jackson’s daughter, Paris, has defended her father against allegations of child pornography, and a new book, Making Michael by Mike Smallcombe, features testimony from over 60 of Michael Jacksons’ colleagues, staff and friends.

It reveals that Micahel may have been drugged by his own investigator to get him out of the country before police could arrest him in 1993.

It also reveals that Michael himself did not want to settle the subsequent court case with Chandler’s family, but Elizabeth Taylor persuaded him to do so.

Plus, Michael’s own lawyer says whether he personally believed the star was guilty of any sexual acts with the young boys he invited to Neverland…

“’I thought that paying a substantial amount of money would forever tarnish his reputation, and injure him professionally. But he was listening to Elizabeth Taylor, and I suspect that she had the attitude where she told him, ‘Michael you’ve got all the money in the world, why do you need a trial?’

“‘He had a very good lawyer in Johnnie Cochran, who was convinced he would have won an acquittal. It’s very tough to lose a case in which you are innocent.””

Jordy Chandler disappears: Boy now aged 36 who sparked Michael Jackson’s pedophile scandal in 1993 cannot be found for deposition in a separate sex abuse case By Dailymail.com Reporters Published: 21:32 EDT, 6 November 2016 | Updated: 03:20 EDT, 7 November 2016
“…Finaldi said Robson wasn’t the only child Jackson, Staikos and his companies lured to Neverland Ranch.

‘(Staikos) would call parents and say, “Hey, he wants to meet you, come down to the ranch,’ Finaldi told the New York Daily News.

Finaldi said the family’s plane tickets and food would be paid for. They would arrive to the ranch in a limousine, and be given gifts from the staff.

‘Make no mistake, Neverland Ranch was nothing but a well-orchestrated trap,’ he told the New York Daily News.

‘It was custom-built to attract kids so he could groom them and decide which to sexually abuse.’

Jackson’s estate called Robson’s allegations ‘less than credible’, but the choreographer said he would never make such public claims for money.

‘The idea that I would make all of this up and put myself, my wife, my son, my entire family through this extremely stressful and painful experience all for money is incomprehensible,’ he said.

‘I’ve lived in silence and denial for 22 years and I can’t spend another moment in that.’
..”

Michael Jackson: The Footage You Were Never Meant To See…

Family

Michael Jackson Rare Funny Moments. Don’t Mess With Michael!


“Published on Oct 16, 2016

Compilation of Rare funny Michael Jackson moments, Also moments Michael Jackson caught acting like a Boss. Don’t mess with Michael Jackson. Rare Clips.

Michael Jackson Private Home Movies HD 720P

-Parents

60 Minutes | Katherine Jackson Interview | A Mother’s Pain [FULL] 1/09/2013

Music

Michael Jackson | Album Discography | AllMusic allmusic.com
Michael Jackson Discography at Discogs discogs.com

Michael Jackson ‎– HIStory – Past, Present And Future – Book I discogs.com

Michael Jackson – HIStory [Disc 1] (Album)

Michael Jackson – You Are Not Alone (Official Video) – YouTube

Music: Karaoke-“You Are Not Alone” (originally from Michael Jackson) by “Crazy Lil Sal” creativemusicartsy.wordpress.com

Music: Karaoke-“Man in the Mirror” by (MJ) Crazy lil’ Sal creativemusicartsy.wordpress.com

Concerts

michael jackson – billie jean live first time moonwalk

Michael Jackson – Smooth Criminal – Live in Munich 1997


“Published on Nov 6, 2014

Michael Jackson – Smooth Criminal – HIStory World Tour Live in Munich 1997
♥♥♥MICHAEL JACKSON♥♥♥”

Michael Jackson – You Are Not Alone – Live Munich 1997 – Widescreen HD

Michael Jackson – They Don’t Care About Us – Live Munich 1997- Widescreen HD

Best of Michael Jackson STAGE FAILS!

Impersonators

Pete Carter as Michael Jackson : Tribute Artist/Impersonator/Look-Alike


“Published on Mar 19, 2013

Pete Carter is a Michael Jackson Tribute Artist based in NJ/NY/PA area.”

Heal the World-“Make it a Better Place”

King of Pop: Michael Jackson-How are you going to help “heal the world…and make it a better place? goodnewseverybodycom.wordpress.com

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