Now you know: What “really” happened in the Vietnam War?


“Pic I took while at Standing Rock: Oceti Sakowin Camp”

Veterans For Peace at Standing Rock veteransforpeace.org
“…The Standing Rock Sioux and their many Indigenous allies have inspired thousands of others to join them on the front lines at Standing Rock. Activists from a spectrum of struggles, including the peace and environmental movements to the Movement for Black Lives and Muslim civil rights, stood on the ground in solidarity. As a result, millions of people have been attracted to the cause. The arrival of thousands of veterans to Standing Rock, covered by national and international media, almost certainly put additional pressure on the Obama administration to do the right thing. The effort and outcome thus far is an example of the power of solidarity and non-violent resistance to right injustice. The people have won an important victory the struggle…”

Viet Nam Vet at Standing Rock Reports 1


“Published on Dec 2, 2016

Listen to this patriot explain is experience at Standing Rock”
AIM Co-Founder Talks about Forgiveness, Nonviolence, and What Comes After Standing Rock Posted: December 7, 2016 Dennis J. Bernstein progressive.org
“…Among the veterans at Standing Rock Monday was Bill Means, a Vietnam vet who returned from fighting a bloody U.S. war of aggression overseas to take on the U.S. government at Wounded Knee. Bill Means is a founding member of the International Indian Treaty Council and co-founder of the American Indian Movement (AIM). Means is a key adviser to the Standing Rock Tribe on their resistance to the pipeline. I spoke with him shortly after he met with the Standing Rock leaders this week about future strategies for the tribe on its continuing resistance to the pipeline…

Bill Means: I feel a brotherhood to those veterans. I was there in Vietnam representing the United States, but one of the things that was beautiful about coming home from that terrible war was that our people still honored us, not because we fought for America but because we fought for the honor of our people. When I returned from Vietnam my cousin gave me an Indian name, my friend gave me a horse, and I was welcomed back to the community with open arms. I think that helped us in our healing from what they now call post traumatic stress. “
*see Deep Thought: What can “we” do to help Veterans with P.T.S.D.? goodnewseverybodycom.wordpress.com
“…I met a farmer from Iowa, a World War II veteran, who said he had to join the fight against this black snake, this pipeline, because the corporations had taken his land under what they call eminent domain. He told me,

“Years ago they had taken some of my father’s land. But it was for a highway, they took some school or churches. But now, they’re taking our land for private corporations, for corporate America. … So, I found out what it is to be an American Indian.”
..”

*see Neutral Perspective: Pro & Anti-Pipeline goodnewseverybodycom.wordpress.com

5 Lies About the Vietnam War You Probably Believe – Cracked.com
-History

The Causes of the Vietnam War – History Learning Site Citation: C N Trueman “The Causes of the Vietnam War” historylearningsite.co.uk. The History Learning Site, 27 Mar 2015. 16 Aug 2016.

“..Before World War Two, Vietnam had been part of the French Empire. During the war, the country had been overrun by the Japanese. When the Japanese retreated, the people of Vietnam took the opportunity to establish their own government lead by Ho Chi Minh. However, after the end of the war, the Allies gave back South Vietnam to the French while the north was left in the hands of the non-communist Chinese. The Nationalist Chinese treated the North Vietnamese very badly and support for Ho Chi Minh grew. He had been removed from power at the end of the war. The Chinese pulled out of North Vietnam in 1946 and the party of Ho Chi Minh took over – the Viet Minh…

South Vietnam also had a population of 16 million. Its first proper leader was Ngo Dinh Diem who was a fanatical catholic. As communism hated religion, Diem hated all that communism stood for. This is why he got America’s support – he had a poor record on human rights but his rule was in the era of the “Domino Theory” and anybody who was anti-communist in the Far East was likely to receive American backing – regardless of their less than savoury background. Ngo ruled as a dictator along with his brother – Nhu. Their government was corrupt and brutal but it was also backed by America…”

-America’s Involvement

Why we went to war in Vietnam BY MICHAEL LIND Dec 20, 2012 legion.org
Confronting the Ugly Truth about America’s Dirty War in Vietnam by William J. Astore 2-11-13 historynewsnetwork.org
“..“to kill Communists and to kill as many of them as possible. Stack ’em like cordwood. Victory was a high body-count … war a matter of arithmetic. The pressure [from the top] on unit commanders to produce enemy corpses was intense, and they in turn communicated it to their troops. This led to such practices as counting civilians as Viet Cong. ‘If it’s dead and Vietnamese, it’s VC,’ was a rule of thumb in the bush It is not surprising, therefore, that some men acquired a contempt for human life and a predilection for taking it.”..

..A line that has always stayed with me from Caputo’s memoir came from one of his NCOs, a Sergeant Colby, who in 1965 told then-Lieutenant Caputo that, “Before you leave here, sir, you’re going to learn that one of the most brutal things in the world is your average nineteen-year-old American boy.” Turse’s study plumbs the depths of such brutality, to include a racist subculture (dehumanizing the Vietnamese as “gooks” and “slopes”) within the U.S. military that facilitated it. Draft an American teenager, teach him to kill, send him to an utterly foreign land in which he can’t distinguish friend from foe, give him power over life and death against a dehumanized enemy, and reward him for generating a high body count in which “If it’s dead and Vietnamese, it’s VC,” and you have an ineluctable recipe for murderous violence…

It’s time our nation found the courage to face those twenty (or fifty) walls of Vietnamese dead. It’s time we faced them with the same sorrow and same regret we reserve for our own wall of dead. Only after we do so can our nation stop glorifying war. Only after we do so can our nation fully heal.

“How the U.S. Got Involved In Vietnam”
By Jeff Drake vietvet.org
“… By the end of 1943, small groups of Vietminh commandos were penetrating into Tonkin, led by Vo Nguyen Giap,(13) the future strategist of Dienbienphu and eventual Commander in Chief of the armies of North Vietnam. By 1945, the Vietminh controlled wide regions of the northernmost provinces and had engaged the full attention of most of the Japanese 21st Division.(14)

Being the only recognized force of some strength opposing the Japanese, the Vietminh received support from the American OSS (Office of Strategic Services). In return, the Vietminh helped rescue downed pilots and provided important intelligence information to OSS agents. A number of OSS officers voiced their admiration for the Vietminh and helped convince OSS leaders to back the Vietminh’s struggle for independence.(15) The Vietnamese fully expected American support due to Roosevelt’s Atlantic Charter, which emphasized self-determination for all peoples — not merely Europeans. In addition, the Vietnamese listened to broadcasts from the US Office of War Information, which often cited US support for colonial peoples struggling for their freedom. ..

As Japan faced defeat at the hands of the Allies, the Vietminh looked forward to Allied support in any future struggle against French colonialism. After all, the Vietminh had given valuable support to the Allies, and Ho expected support and recognition for his newly-established government, the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, in turn. A statement to this effect was even included in his government’s Declaration of Independence, established on September 2, 1945, which stated: “We are convinced that the Allied nations… will not refuse to acknowledge the independence of Viet Nam.”…

With the British and the Chinese finally gone, the Vietminh came under direct pressure from the French. By this time it was obvious that Ho Chi Minh would be receiving no aid from either the US or Russia. Indeed, from Ho’s perspective he had been abandoned by the international community and left alone to deal with France. Economic disaster, spurred by the Chinese occupational forces, and starvation due to Allied bombing of Northern damns, strengthened France’s position. On March 6th, 1946, Ho Chi Minh felt compelled to reach a compromise with the French. Essentially, Ho was forced to make the maximum concessions possible short of forfeiting his dominant position within the Vietnamese nationalist movement. It took everything Ho could do to quell the dissatisfaction of other various nationalist groups with this agreement.

[Note that during 1945 to 1946, Ho Chi Minh had written at least eight letters to Truman and the State Department, asking for America’s help in winning Vietnam’s independence from the French. Ho wrote that world peace was being endangered by French efforts to reconquer Indochina and he requested that the four powers (US, USSR, China and Great Britain) intervene in order to mediate a fair settlement and bring the Indochinese issue before the United Nations.

This was a remarkable repeat of history, for in 1919 following the First World War, Ho Chi Minh had appealed to US Secretary of State Robert Lansing, to gain America’s help in achieving basic civil liberties and an improvement in the living condition for the colonial subjects of French Indochina. This plea was also ignored and no admission was even made that the US had even received the letters.(19)] ..”

-Misc

What Really Happened in Vietnam The North, the South, and the American Defeat Review Essay November/December 2012 Issue By Fredrik Logevall foreignaffairs.com
“…Victory never came. Despite the more than half a million U.S. soldiers President Lyndon Johnson sent to Vietnam, and the more than eight million tons of bombs the U.S. Air Force dropped on Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia from 1962 to 1973, Washington could not achieve its core objective: to preserve an independent, noncommunist South Vietnam for the indefinite future. In January 1973, U.S. and North Vietnamese negotiators signed a cease-fire agreement in Paris; two months later, the last U.S. ground troops left South Vietnam. Both the North and the South soon violated the cease-fire, and large-scale war resumed. On April 29, 1975, the South Vietnamese government collapsed, and Vietnam was reunified under a communist government based in Hanoi. By the time the fighting stopped, it had claimed the lives of three to four million Vietnamese, hundreds of thousands of Cambodians and Laotians, and more than 58,000 Americans. Now, Hanoi’s War, a pathbreaking new book by the historian Lien-Hang Nguyen, illuminates the decision-making behind the North’s relentless resistance, helping readers better understand why the struggle lasted as long as it did and why all those people died. ..”
Vietnam War: What really happened

The Truth about the Vietnam War Jun 23, 2014 Presented by Bruce Herschensohn prageru.com
“..Did the United States win or lose the Vietnam War? We are taught that it was a resounding loss for America, one that proves that intervening in the affairs of other nations is usually misguided. The truth is that our military won the war, but our politicians lost it. The Communists in North Vietnam actually signed a peace treaty, effectively surrendering. But the U.S. Congress didn’t hold up its end of the bargain. In just five minutes, learn the truth about who really lost the Vietnam War..”
The Vietnam War: 5 things you might not know By Katie McLaughlin, CNN Updated 3:47 PM ET, Mon August 25, 2014 cnn.com
“..The Vietnam War began in the decade before, but the conflict, and especially U.S. involvement, escalated in the 1960s. For the first time, Americans witnessed the horrors of war, played out on television screens in their living rooms.
This week’s episode of “The Sixties” explores the war and its impact on American culture, then and now. Here are five facts from the episode that may surprise those too young to remember the Vietnam War:..

“What Vietnam did to America via television was introduce us to a new kind of America,” said author Lawrence Wright. “One that was not pure, one that committed the same kinds of atrocities that are always committed in war, but we had never allowed ourselves to see them.”
Reporter Morley Safer recalled the shock of witnessing Marines burn down 150 houses on the outskirts of the village of Cam Ne. An officer told the newsman that he had been ordered to level the area. Three women were wounded in the attack, one baby was killed, and four people were taken prisoner.
Safer asked a soldier if he had regrets about leaving people homeless, and the soldier replied, “You can’t expect to do your job and feel pity for these people.”
Another soldier told Safer, “I think it’s sad in a way, but I don’t think there’s any other way you can get around it in this kind of a war.”
Americans back home were stunned when the CBS report about the Cam Ne village hit the news.
After the broadcast, Johnson reportedly called then-CBS president, Frank Stanton, and said, “Frank, this is your President, your boys just s–t on the flag of the United States.”..”

The Vietnam War Was Worse Than You Could Ever Imagine | Alternet alternet.org

Vietnam War
Facts, information and articles about The Vietnam War
historynet.com
“..Vietnam War summary: Summary of the Vietnam War: The Vietnam War is the commonly used name for the Second Indochina War, 1954–1973. Usually, it refers to the period when the United States and other members of the SEATO (Southeast Asia Treaty Organization) joined the forces of the Republic of South Vietnam in contesting communist forces comprised of South Vietnamese guerrillas and regular-force units, generally known as Viet Cong (VC), and the North Vietnamese Army (NVA). The U.S. had the largest foreign military presence and basically directed the war from 1965 to 1968. For this reason, in Vietnam today it is known as the American War. It was a direct result of the First Indochina War (1946–1954) between France, which claimed Vietnam as a colony, and the communist forces then known as Viet Minh. In 1973 a “third” Vietnam war began—a continuation, actually—between North and South Vietnam but without significant U.S. involvement. It ended with communist victory in April 1975.

The Vietnam War was the longest in U.S. history, until the war in Afghanistan that began in 2002 and continues at this writing (2013). It was extremely divisive in the U.S., Europe, Australia and elsewhere. Because the U.S. failed to achieve a military victory and the Republic of South Vietnam was ultimately taken over by North Vietnam, the Vietnam experience became known as “the only war America ever lost.” It remains a very controversial topic that continues to affect political and military decisions today..”

Movies

The Quiet American 2002

Music

Simon and Garfunkel – The Sound Of Silence (bombing run)/The Vietnam War

What a Wonderful World by Louis Armstrong – AME 151

Action

Pray for Vietnam War vets and Inodochina region (e.g. Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Hmong people, etc..)

#prayforvietnam

“Come & let your Peace fill this….”

This is an on-going topic I’ll be researching for a long time. Feel free to share any additional insights (e.g. websites) that may help with this “controversial” war…

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Holidays without your love ones?

As we approach Christmas, my heart goes out to those without their love ones. I can ‘t imagine going through the holidays without someone you’ve been with for many years. I’ve been thinking about this at times during the holiday season and wanted to find someway to encourage those who will be spending the holidays without their love ones. There is a popular Christmas song that goes…”It’s the best time of the year..”. It might be for others, but may NOT be all the time for those that are without their love ones.

Grieving Through the Holidays livinglifecounseling.com
Giving Holiday Hope to the Grieving By Mary May Larmoyeux familylife.com
Encouraging those who have lost a loved one.
“..
The gift of listening

One of the most precious gifts is the simple act of listening.

Jane and Roger Palmer’s 19-year-old son, Patrick, died unexpectedly in the fall of 2003 from acute bronchial pneumonia. He went into a coma and died in his sleep while at college. Jane says, “Just being there and listening is so important. Well meaning people at times feel that they must do something, quote scriptures, or have the answers.”

Instead of answers, Jane says the grieving are comforted by people with understanding hearts whose sheer presence says, “I care.”
…”

How to Remember a Loved One at the Holidays By Nancy Copeland-Payton beliefnet.com
“”…This holiday season, gift yourself with time set aside to intentionally remember and celebrate your loved one. Choose one or more of the following remembrances to observe alone or to share with others who also loved the one you lost. ..”
Annie’s “How to Cope with Grief and the Holidays” Page, annieshomepage.com
Grieving During The Holidays © Ferna Lary Mills rfgifts.com
Surviving the Holidays After a Loved One’s Death christiannewswire.com/
I always get depressed over the holidays
Written by Lynette Hoy NCC, LCPC powertochange.com
“Advice: Many people suffer from bouts of depression or the blues at different times during the year. During the holiday season people encounter memories of loved ones they have lost through death or divorce or friends who have moved away. People experience stress and difficult family reunions over the holidays. Depression is a growing problem. In fact, psychologists have said that we live in an “age of depression.”

…I know personally that when I am obeying Christ and trusting in His love for me, I have an inner joy that overflows, a zest for living, and a love for other people. Practically, here are some steps to help you cope and overcome the depression that might set-in after the holidays:..”
Coping with Grief at Christmas Stacie Ruth Stoelting cbn.com

Mark Schultz – Different Kind of Christmas (Live)


“Written in honor of Mark’s late father-in-law, Different Kind of Christmas resonates with those who have ever had to go through the holiday season after losing a loved one. Join Mark in honoring the legacy they left behind by celebrating the life of those who are no longer with us.

What are some ways to comfort them?

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Life Lesson: Humble yourself and ask directions when lost!

The other day (Friday, September 4th 2015), I was driving to a particular location that I thought would be easy to find. I used my camera and took a pic of a map I googled, but would find out later it wasn’t the most accurate pic.

I would end up driving almost an hour to finally reach my destination, which I was at a point where I was very frustrated (the hot weather also played a factor). I look back and ask God to forgive me for my impatience. Fortunately, I’m at a point in my life where I’ve grown a lot more patient and didn’t “hurt” anybody, which I would have regretted if I did.

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What happened was the pic (above) I took of the map wasn’t big enough to show the entry ramps before or after, so the location was too narrow to see a “bigger perspective”. One of the lessons I learned was to take two or more pics to show the “surrounding area”..

I stopped at two locations looking for directions…

1st-Forgot the name of the gas station and the exact location, but somewhere in Blaine around here (hwy 65 & 109th Avenue.) ..

The guy told me to continue east on 109th Avenue and look for Lexington Avenue, which leads me back to 35 W. I saw the map and realized I was very close to the prison if I continued west more on 109th. I left my physical map at home, which I need to remember to bring it next time.

2nd-Kwik Trip [3405 Lake Dr
Circle Pines, MN 55014
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Above is the hand written note that this nice “young” woman jot down for me. I’m very thankful to God for bringing this woman to help me and that He humbled me in a time of frustration to ask for “help”

“Put on then, as God’s chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience, “Colossians 3:12

Thank you to both people that helped me.

Got any similar stories of being lost? What was the feeling? Did you ask for help? Did you find your destination? How? Share your stories to encourage others as we all have had similar experiences 🙂

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