Deep Thought: What “if” Eve didn’t eat the “forbidden fruit”?

Why Did God Create The Tree of Good and Evil if He Knew Adam and Eve Would Eat From it?

Why did God prevent Adam from eating from the Tree of Life after he had sinned? creation.com
“..This raises an interesting question. Why would God prevent Adam from eating from the Tree of Life after he had sinned? The Bible tells us that the last enemy to be destroyed is death (1 Corinthians 15:26). But if death is an enemy, wouldn’t it have been a good thing for Adam to live forever by eating from the Tree of Life?..

When Adam sinned, mankind became estranged from God and physical death entered the world. In this way, through one man, physical death entered the world (cf. Romans 5:12, 17), and through Adam, death now came to all men. If Adam had eaten from the Tree of Life after he sinned, he would have lived forever, but he would have lived in a state of eternal estrangement from God…

While death is tragic and an enemy to God’s perfect creation, this same curse of death, is also what allowed Christ to become incarnate as a man and to actually die on the cross as a ransom for His people. If Adam had eaten from the Tree of Life after he had sinned, all mankind would have lived forever, estranged from God; and Christ, our Kinsman-Redeemer, would not have been able to die on the cross in redemption. In other words, if God did not subject sinful humanity with a curse of death, sinful man would not have any chance of being reconciled back to God. If God did not prevent Adam from eating from the Tree of Life after he had sinned, a future redemption through the physical death of one of Adam’s descendants (Jesus Christ) would not have been possible…

What would have Happened if Adam & Eve had not Fallen ? – YouTube

SecondComingOfChrist
Published on Aug 26, 2011
Had Adam and Eve reached perfection they would have borne good children and founded a sinless family and society with God’s blessings. They would then have founded the Kingdom of Heaven on earth and become the Original True Parents of mankind. Humanity would have realized the Ideal of creation on earth.
Then when we shed our physical bodies and pass into the spirit world , we would have formed the Kingdom of God in Heaven.

Why didn’t Adam and Eve immediately die for their sin (Genesis 3)? gotquestions.org
“..Interpreters typically answer this question in one of two ways. First, many note that Adam and Eve did die, though not immediately. The Hebrew phrase translated “in the day” in Genesis 2:17 is sometimes used to mean “for certain” (e.g., Exodus 10:28; 1 Kings 2:37, 42). So, Adam and Eve “certainly” died; it’s just that their death took place much later (Genesis 5:5). This view is also supported by Genesis 3:22, in which God determines to bar man from the tree of life to prevent him from living forever. Adam and Eve lost eternal life, were expelled from the Garden of Eden, and eventually experienced physical death.
..”



*see Now You Know: Who was/is Jesus…to “you”? goodnewseverybodycom.wordpress.com

Adam And Eve Bible Story for Children – (Christian Bible … – YouTube

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Deep Thought: Should I get my DNA Tested?

Taking a DNA Test

Taking a DNA Test support.ancestry.com
“…Steps
Follow these guidelines:

Brush your teeth and/or use mouthwash.
Don’t eat, drink, smoke, or chew gum or tobacco for 30 minutes after brushing your teeth and before providing your saliva sample.
To encourage saliva production, gently rub your cheeks from the outside (pressing them against your teeth and gums) before spitting into the tube.
If you find it hard to produce saliva, place 1/4 teaspoon of white table sugar on your tongue.
If you can’t produce enough saliva in one try, refrigerate your tube in an upright position between attempts. You can refrigerate your sample for up to a week before needing to add it to the blue solution in the saliva tube. ..”

How Safe is Your Information When You Use a DNA Testing Kit?
by Jessa Barron October 22, 2015 nextadvisor.com
“..They can help us discover more about our origins and even help us connect to family members we didn’t know we had. While there are questions about how these tests are completed, one of the more pertinent questions relates to the security of these tests. Many are concerned with who has access to your DNA test once it’s sent back into the lab and what the lab can legally do with your DNA. To help you determine how safe your information is if you use a DNA testing kit, we answer some of the most common questions when it comes to protecting your information and test results…”

Risks of DNA Testing in Search for Ancestors May 30, 20069:00 AM ET npr.org

“..I should point out that, when you look at the mitochondria and you look at the Y chromosome, it is only looking at one chapter in the 23 chapters of the DNA history. And DNA is, if you want to think about it in a more practical term, it’s like a tape recorder. And it records all of your ancestral migrations, and it has nothing to do with politics, or race, or religion. It is only recording those events, and half of it comes from your mother and half of it comes from your father. But it’s not always equal.

So, that being said, parents and children do not necessarily always inherit, let’s say the minor components of a genetic ancestry. So you might have three children, and one child would inherit, let’s say, a 15 percent sub-Saharan African content, and the second child will inherit none. And that’s just the DNA shuffle, as we call it. ..

But we also know that this DNA and this racial categorization is used in forensics and in criminology, in ways that your own privacy might be subject to a court order, for example. To find out if any relatives in your family might be involved in some activity. “

What DNA Testing Companies’ Terrifying Privacy Policies Actually Mean Kristen V. Brown Senior Writer, Gizmodo. gizmodo.com
‘..Lucky for you, Gizmodo slogged though every line of Ancestry.com, 23andMe, and Helix’s privacy, terms of service, and research policies with the help of experts in privacy, law and consumer protection. It wasn’t fun. We fell asleep at least once. And what we found wasn’t pretty.

“It’s basically like you have no privacy, they’re taking it all,” said Joel Winston, a consumer protection lawyer. “When it comes to DNA tests, don’t assume you have any rights.”..

here’s what you need to know before giving away your genetic information.
Testing companies can claim ownership of your DNA

Okay, so your DNA is inside of you. A corporation can’t really claim ownership of it. But they can claim ownership of the DNA sample you send them, and the analysis they run on it, including the resulting information on the makeup of your genome.

When it comes to Ancestry, while the company recently revised its policy to state that it “does not claim any ownership rights in the DNA that is submitted for testing,” another clause in its policies asserts that even if they don’t actually own your DNA, the company can use that DNA basically however it wants: …

Pitts also pointed out that if a genetic testing company was bought, there’s no telling how a new owner might handle the data….

The other thing that’s clear is that genetic testing companies are definitely selling information to third parties for medical research in order to make money. ..

Not to mention, while the Genetic Information Non-Discrimination Act allegedly prevents health insurers and workplaces from discriminating based on your genetic information, gaps in the law mean that life, long-term care, or disability insurance providers as well as the military can still make decisions based on findings from your DNA. ..

Genetic testing companies may promise to not share information with insurers without your consent, but that doesn’t stop an insurer from asking you whether you have ever taken any genetic tests. And if the answer is yes, you could be compelled to share information relevant to your health. (A new health care bill and seemingly stalled legislation introduced last March in the house both further threaten to challenge protections that allow you to keep your genetic information private.)…

If you do not read those documents—and many don’t—you’re missing the fine print that explains how your DNA can be used, misused, leaked, hacked, sold and commodified without your knowledge or deliberate consent.

Privacy risks lurk in DNA tests, experts warn By Patrick Cain National Online Journalist, News Global News August 15, 2016 8:00 am globalnews.ca
“..But others are curious about the complex, highly personal information about you coded in your DNA: drug companies, insurers, sometimes police.

And once you put your cheek swab in the mail, you risk permanently losing control over a complete copy of your genetic data, linked to your real identity.
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“I think you have to assume that you’re going to lose control over that information,” warns Ann Cavoukian, a former Ontario privacy commissioner who runs the Privacy and Big Data Institute at Ryerson University…

Closing a 23andMe account doesn’t necessarily mean the company’s copy of your genetic data will disappear:

“We allow customers to close their accounts. It’s a bit complicated by our regulatory compliance for laboratories in the United States, which requires that raw information be held for a minimum of 10 years. The information will be de-identified, but will continue to be stored for that set amount of time.”…”

…Your genetic data can show your odds of getting diseases, like the BRCA1 genetic mutation that can mean a much higher risk of breast and ovarian cancer. Some diseases, like Huntington’s disease, are genetic, and susceptibility can be read from someone’s genetic information. With the science of genetics in its infancy, it’s impossible to know what can be told about you from your DNA in the future.

“With genetic data, it is very concrete, in terms of a road map to your physical conditions,” Cavoukian says….

“We are very clear that users own and control their data,” ancestry.com spokesperson Patrick Erlich wrote in an e-mail. “They can download it, ask us to delete it and destroy the sample, and can revoke their opt-in consent to participate in research projects at any time.”

“As disclosed in our policies, DNA samples are stored without personally identifying information at either a testing laboratory or other storage facility and may be kept by us unless or until circumstances require us to destroy the sample, or it is no longer suitable for testing purposes. ”

So what should an individual do? Like any other decision about digital privacy, the answer really comes down to your own comfort level, and how you perceive the trade-off between some information now and a potential privacy breach in the future…”
CORRECTION: Ancestry.com Hands Over Client DNA Test Results to Cops Witho̶u̶t̶ a Warrant*-
A pretty good way to discourage people from using gene testing services

Ronald Bailey|May. 6, 2015 1:11 pm reason.com/blog

-Health Liabilities?

The Risks and Benefits of 23andMe DNA Analysis | Healdove healdove.com

“..
In the event of corporate bankruptcy, consumers’ genetic data would likely be considered a corporate asset and sold. That is what happened when deCODE, a prior competitor of 23andMe, went bankrupt in 2009. Pharmaceutical giant Amgen purchased the company in December 2012 for $415M, in part for its large data bank.

You may learn about your own health risks or carrier status and by extension the potential risks and carrier status of your relatives…”

Is home genetic testing safe and reliable? – The Feed

Differences Between Companies

Ancestry DNA vs 23andMe: Full Comparison

23andMe, Ancestry and Selling Your DNA Information 23andMe, Posted on December 30, 2015 dna-explained.com
“..However, opting out of his higher level DOES NOT stop the company from utilizing, sharing or selling your anonymized DNA and data. Anonymized data means your identity and what they consider identifying information has been removed.

Many people think that if you opt-out, your DNA and data is never shared or sold, but according to 23andMe and Ancestry’s own documentation, that’s not true. Opt-out is not truly opt-out. It’s only opting out of them sharing your non-anonymized data – meaning just the higher level of participation only. They still share your anonymized data in aggregated fashion…”
Uprooted: The dangers of DNA testing
Virginia Hughes | October 1, 2013 | MATTER geneticliteracyproject.org
“Searching your genetic ancestry can certainly be fun: You can trace the migration patterns of 10,000-year-old ancestors, or discover whether a distant relative ruled a continent or rode on the Mayflower. But the technology can just as easily unearth more private acts—infidelities, sperm donations, adoptions—of more recent generations, including previously unknown behaviors of your grandparents, parents, and even spouses. Family secrets have never been so vulnerable…”

Problems with AncestryDNA’s Genetic Ethnicity Prediction? Blaine Bettinger19 June 2012 201 Comments thegeneticgenealogist.com
“…
Different Reference Populations and Algorithms

As I suggested above, different companies use different reference populations and algorithms to create a biogeographical estimate, which can result in varying estimates.

For example, in my previous review of AncestryDNA’s Genetic Ethnicity Prediction, I compared my genetic ethnicity results from three companies (Ancestry.com, 23andMe, and FTDNA), and found that their results varied considerably. I’m not surprised by this, but I do expect that over time – as the industry arrives at more standard reference populations and algorithms (which the cheap whole-genome sequencing revolution will enable) – that estimates from different companies will align much more closely. Be patient and enjoy being a pioneer…”

Database ?

DNA database: who’s watching your genes? – YouTube

Proposing a new world DNA order – YouTube

Police collecting DNA from random citizens to create database …

Others

My DNA Results: AncestryDNA vs 23andMe, & thoughts about the slave trade

*Ancestry DNA had more “Scandinavian compared to 23 & Me”
Ancestry DNA had more Southeast Africa to 23 & Me (more Western Africa)
*slave trade

Family Tree DNA Vs Ancestry Test Results Comparison Autosomal YDna MtDna Two People Tested Versus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFPvBWnman4
*Family Tree DNA does more updates of others doing DNA test related to you
*ANcestry DNA charges for updates if you request them after getting the results

Comparing 4 Major DNA Companies

Honoring our Past
Published on May 7, 2018
Science Behind DNA Testing: https://youtu.be/LyKUkUgqw0Q

Ethnicity DNA Test Results vs Family Tree: https://youtu.be/C_N5fL3wjlo

Ancestry.com
Ancestry.com DNA Test Results and Understanding: https://youtu.be/hfCNpByLiXc
*$74, takes 6 weeks, shows migration patterns in a map

LivingDNA.com
Living DNA Test Results and Understanding: https://youtu.be/wRa21cf0koU
*swab test, takes 8 weeks,
*XX chromosomes (mitochond , female) XY chromosomes (male)

myheritage.com/dna
My Heritage DNA Test Result and Understanding: https://youtu.be/0SAQjLY8DTU
$59, shows family tree, events in your family tree in a clickable map,

23andme.com
23andMe DNA Test Results and Understanding: https://youtu.be/wxCsch9zeXM
*spit, takes “6-8 weeks”,

-Results didn’t show?

Ask Ancestry Anne: Where Is My Native American DNA? blogs.ancestry.com
“..So how much of your great-great-grandmother’s DNA are you likely to have? Probably around 1.5625%! And that may not be enough to detect Native American ethnicity.

dna percentage2

If you can find older generations on that line to test, I recommend that. Also, get brothers, sisters and cousins tested. You never know who might have enough DNA to be detected.

Even if you find the DNA connection, you will still want to follow the paper trail. I recommend our Native American Research Guide to get you started.

Happy searching!.”

At-Home DNA Tests Might Not Be as Accurate as You Think
https://youtu.be/B0WMjDqIYH0
“Seeker
Published on Aug 11, 2017
DNA tests are a popular resource for people wanting to understand their ancestry and disease probability. But how accurate are these tests?

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Seeking Ancestry in DNA Ties Uncovered by Tests

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/12/us/…

“Genetic tests, once obscure tools for scientists, have begun to influence everyday lives in many ways. The tests are reshaping people’s sense of themselves – where they came from, why they behave as they do, what disease might be coming their way.”

Revamped DNA Test Kit Back on Shelves

https://www.seeker.com/revamped-dna-t…

“The company also promised ‘personalized insights based on analysis of 650,000 genetic variations,’ and the ‘only service available direct-to-consumer with reports that meet FDA standards.'”

DNA Test Sheds Light on Mystery Deaths

https://www.seeker.com/dna-test-sheds…

“A new DNA test can restore at least part of the identity of long-dead people who left no trace of their image, scientists reported on Monday. The technique has revealed the hair and eye colours of unknown individuals slaughtered as sub-humans by the Nazis and of a mystery woman buried alongside monks in a mediaeval crypt, they said.”

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-> Triplets

These Stunning Triplets Took A DNA Test With Unexpected Results! hooch.net

…As far as genetics goes, all three of the triplets had their result show up as being 99% European. However, it was when that percentage began to be broken down that some real discrepancies began to arise. As the results were revealed on the show, the girls, the audience and even the doctors themselves were more and more shocked at the results. First, it was revealed that Erica had around 16% Irish and British ancestry, however Nicole had 18% Irish and British ancestry. Well, that seems to be fairly minor so far right? It was only going to get crazier as more was revealed! ..l

Different Ancestry?

The rest of the results continued to deviate from what was expected. The 23andMe test showed that while all three girls had French and German heritage, each triplet had a different percentage. Nicole had 11% French and German, Jaclyn had 18% and Erica had 22.3%. Twenty-two to eleven percent seems like a pretty drastic difference for triplets with identical DNA. For their Doctors segment, each time a new percentage was revealed it would flash on the screen and the audience would react in absolute amazement. The girls themselves were also clearly very confused about how their differing results could happen.

The final ethnicity to be revealed was the girls’ Scandinavian heritage. And for this one, yet another shocker was revealed. Two of the girls, Erica and Jaclyn both had the exact same results with the same percentage of Scandinavian ancestry at 7.4%. However, Nicole had a totally different and higher percentage at 11.4% Scandinavian. The Doctors, the Inside Edition reporter, and the Dahm triplets themselves were totally shocked at the amazing results. It turns out, these amazing ancestry DNA results might reveal even more about DNA science than previously known…
Dr. Travis Stork said, “I think the answer here is that we’ve come so far in terms of genetic testing, but you can’t just spit in a cup and have every single answer that you are looking for.” On Inside Edition, another set of triplets had similar results with another DNA kit. Only one set of triplets had results that were extremely close which was a test done with Ancestry DNA. Perhaps one day, at-home testing for ancestry will become even more streamlined and accurate. However, in the meantime it’s definitely interesting to get a peek inside where your ancestors may have descended from many years ago!

The at-home tests seem to be imperfect as far as percentages go, however they do undoubtedly offer insight into one’s background and ethnic makeup. Lisa mentioned on the show that while she was very interested in pursuing her own ethnic background, she might not go the route of the at-home DNA test. Instead, she said she would probably have a personalized test run by a doctor or genetic scientist. This kind of testing is definitely on the more expensive side, but are probably far more accurate. However, if you’re on a limited budget but still want to know more, an at-home test certainly won’t do you any harm! …

Family Roots
Elie Dolgin
January 18, 2011 Kurt Hoffman forward.com
“…
DNA tests to uncover Jewish origins have been offered for decades by companies such as Houston-based Family Tree DNA and DNA Tribes of Arlington, Va. They have shown, for example, that many Hispanic Americans likely descended from Jews who were forced to convert or hide their religion more than 500 years ago in Spain and Portugal. Yet although standard ancestry-testing platforms can point to centuries-old Jewish origins, none would have flagged Pickrell’s relatively recent Semitic pedigree.

That’s because most DNA tests have traditionally relied on only two small parts of the genome: the Y-chromosome, which is passed down almost unchanged from father to son, and mitochondria, which mothers pass faithfully to their offspring. Because these stretches of DNA remain relatively consistent from one generation to the next, they are particularly useful for testing direct-line paternal and maternal ancestry, respectively; however, they essentially ignore the bulk of someone’s DNA ancestry and cannot detect genetic signatures that cross gender lines…

CeCe Moore, a 41-year-old amateur genealogist who runs a television production company in Orange County, Calif., is one such customer. In 2008, Moore tested her mitochondrial DNA and her father’s Y chromosome, but found no traces of Jewish heritage. Then, last year, she obtained her DNA readout from 23andMe and learned that a small but significant amount of her genome appeared to be of Ashkenazi origin…”

momondo – The DNA Journey


“Published on Sep 30, 2010

Ola tells CNN’s World’s Untold Stories about her experience when she found out her Neo-Nazi husband was also Jewish.”

My Dad isn’t my “Dad”

READING MY ANCESTRY DNA RESULTS! I BEEN LIED TO MY ENTIRE LIFE!

ANCESTRY DNA RESULTS! *SHOCKING* HER DAD ISN’T HER REAL DAD

Found my Dad

Did Ancestry.com DNA Just Find My Dad?

OTHERS

10 Shocking Results from DNA Ancestry Tests
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BgWM5LE_i8
#6 Cobb, Neo Nazi found he was 14% Sub-African, etc..

Adopted

Adopted DNA Test Results – NOT What I Expected 🤯 Mind Blown

Midlife Credo
Published on Nov 27, 2018
Ancestry and 23andMe DNA test results SURPRSE! Heads up, DNA testing for adoptees can be complicated! I told you I wasn’t looking for my birth parents or biological family and it was 100% true. I’m happily adopted and love my REAL adopted parents and siblings. But when I got the results of my DNA tests from Ancestry DNA and 23andMe it changed my life FOREVER.

To be completely honest, I’m still processing everything that has happened. If my Ancestry adoption story is convoluted, please understand that it’s confusing to me, too! This is all so new and unexpected and…bizarre.

PLEASE, if you have a DNA adoption story to share, I’d love to hear it. Now more than ever!

📹 My Adoption Story – Why I’m NOT Searching for Birth Parents – DNA Test?

🐧 TWEET the crazy story: https://ctt.ac/4F_Zx

AFRICANS

Ancestry DNA Results (Grandma edition)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9u-FY5qFNA
*10% European

SHOCKING African Ancestry DNA Results. I’m UPSET! | Nia Hope
100% European???

Nia Hope
Published on Oct 27, 2018
Hi! I took my African Ancestry DNA Test hoping for certain results, but could have never guessed what the actual results turned out to be. Watch to see my live reaction!!

ASIAN

Asian Americans Take A DNA Test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZR_vMU8db8
*you inherit 50% of your parent’s DNA
*Asian Indian woman shared she was %100 Indian, but when her mom got the test -she got 7% European, which explains Grandma’s blondish hair, which this Indian women didn’t get this European DNA -that explains why she didn’t get the European %

JEWISH

My DNA Results REVEALED! 23andMe || Mayim Bialik

Mix

Ethnically Ambiguous People Take A DNA Test

Racists

CNN: Neo-Nazi Skinhead finds out he is Jewish

“Lost Tribes of Israel”

“Hidden Jews” traced to N.M. Catholicism By ELECTA DRAPER | The Denver Post
March 4, 2006 at 3:26 pm denverpost.com
“..Albuquerque – When the Rev. Bill Sanchez was a little boy growing up in Santa Fe, his family expected he would become a priest.

Their Spanish nickname for him meant “Little Priest.” It was just something in the manner of the soft-spoken young Catholic, now the 53- year-old pastor of St. Edwin Parish in Albuquerque.

And, as Sanchez recently discovered through DNA testing, he is part of a priesthood tradition thousands of years old…”

Jewish researcher attacks DNA evidence linking Jews to Israel Jon Entine | Genetic Literacy Project | May 13, 2013 geneticliteracyproject.org
“..Khazarian myth

Elhaik, who is now a post-doctoral researcher at Johns Hopkins, is recirculating the debunked “Khazarian hypothesis” promoted by journalist Arthur Koestler in his 1976 book, The Thirteenth Tribe, written before scientists had the tools to compare genomes and challenge his conclusion…”

Crime

5 things to know about the Golden State Killer’s case Author: Staff
Published: 11:07 AM PDT April 27, 2018
Updated: 1:11 PM PDT April 27, 2018 kare11.com
ABC10’s Walt Gray sat down with criminal defense attorney Don Heller to learn more about what’s next for the suspect as he awaits his legal fate.
“..4. Genealogy plays a major role in this case. Investigators used a free genealogy website to connect the killer’s to the crimes. Lead investigator Paul Holes said authorities didn’t need a court order to access GEDMatch’s large database. Heller explained, the information collected about the East Area Rapist’s distant relatives from the site was enough to move the case forward. ..”

Biblical Perspective?

*see Neutral Pespective: The Bible is God’s Word and Not? goodnewseverybodycom.wordpress.com

Bible Family Tree biblefamilytree.info

A Biblical Perspective On Deep Ancestry Genetics

The Genealogy of Christ, 1611 King James Bible library.osu.edu

Origins: Noah’s Flood Genetics

Adam and Eve Family Tree adamandevefamilytree.com

The Genealogy in the Bible as a story!!!

The Gospel in Genesis
A Hidden Message
by Chuck Missler • February 1, 1996 khouse.org
“…And, indeed, the year that Methuselah died, the flood came.[3]

It is interesting that Methuselah’s life, in effect, was a symbol of God’s mercy in forestalling the coming judgment of the flood. Therefore, it is fitting that his lifetime is the oldest in the Bible, speaking of the extensiveness of God’s mercy.

The Other Names
If there is such significance in Methuselah’s name, let’s examine the other names to see what may lie behind them…

That’s rather remarkable:

Man (is) appointed mortal sorrow; (but) the Blessed God shall come down teaching (that) His death shall bring (the) despairing rest.

Here’s the Gospel hidden within a genealogy in Genesis!…”

Chuck Missler: Adam – Noah; The Genealogy, The … – YouTube

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What is a women’s role in the “church” from a Biblical perspective?

I decided to do a blog on an on-going “debate able” topic that was shared at my local church yesterday morning. It cleared up a lot of questions…

Mythology & Beliefs: Artemis (Diana)
In Greek and Roman Mythology, Artemis (Diana) was the goddess of moon; a huntress and the twin sister of Apollo.

http://www.bible-history.com/links.php?cat=30&sub=2346&cat_name=Mythology+%26+Beliefs&subcat_name=Artemis+%28Diana%29

The Role of Women in the Church from truthortradition.com

http://www.stfvideocast.com/videos/player.swf

“…We are going to understand them properly. To understand these verses in 1 Timothy chapter two properly, and indeed to understand any verse in the Bible properly, you have to have some idea of cultural context in which this verse was written. …

..That is not at all what is going on here. Again, I would like to say that it is because of misunderstanding verses like these that many women have walked away from God and the Lord Jesus Christ, and many women have turned to other religions, ungodliness, or turned against God because they are bitter and upset.

…Other women are in the Church and they have great ministries, but they are sitting not doing anything particularly because they do not want to offend God out of disobedience. They do not want to go against what they think He wants them to do. Sometimes, too, other men and other women jump on women if they try and get involved. Some of this comes from the fact that we misunderstand these verses…

If you look around at church services, and of course, all kinds of Christian organizations do surveys, and you should know that on any given Sunday more than half of the people in churches are women. That is right, more than half of the people in churches are women; yet, in many cases, their ministries have been restricted and constricted because of people who do not understand the text. This verse is a good one.

1 Timothy 2:11

A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.

Right away we are thinking, “Women are way down there on the totem pole with God.” The first thing that we need to point out here is about the culture. When Paul was writing to Timothy, where was he? Where was Timothy? 1 Timothy Chapter 1, verse 3—“As I urged you [Timothy] when I [Paul] went into Macedonia,” Macedonia is Northern Greece, so Paul here left for Northern Greece. Paul says, “When I urged you, when I went into Northern Greece [Macedonia] stay there in Ephesus.” Now we know where Timothy is. He is in Ephesus….

…The boys are already learning without causing a disturbance and in submission, if you will, quietness and full submission. So now what is Paul saying here? He is saying, “a women should learn in quietness and full submission.” If I were to put this into a modern English understanding so that the average street Christian could understand it, I would say, “a women should learn just like the men do, in quietness and full submission.”…

1 Timothy 2:12 and 13

I do not permit a woman to teach or have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was first formed then Eve.

…Well, we have got two distinct strains of teaching that I want to go into today. One of those is the ancient mythology of the time. Part of the ancient mythology that Timothy was dealing with was that the original creator of the heaven and the earth was a goddess, not a god. That it was not really a creator but a creatress. That the original creatress of the universe, this goddess, was the supreme god and all deities were underneath her….

..”Most Gnostic accounts show Eve as pre-existing Adam. In one account, she’s actually the hermaphrodite from whom Adam is drawn.”…

Gnostics were opposed to childbearing—not every Gnostic, but many Gnostics were opposed to childbearing. Why? Because when you became pregnant, then what happened is that you created another body. But where did the soul come from? Where did that life spark come from? Well, that life spark had to come from the true God—way up there at the top, so that what happens is that you, through your ignorance in childbearing, have caused a piece to break off the true God, if you will, so many of the Gnostics believe that women could not ascend back to the true God until they gathered up all the sparks, if you will, or pieces that they were responsible for breaking off the real God. On page 175 the Kreigers’ write:…

The word silent is the word hesuchia, and it means tranquil. She is not to cause a disturbance.

1 Timothy 2:13

For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

Now the problem in verse 12 is the phrase “have authority over.” This is the Greek word “authentane.” Authentane is translated in every version that I have looked at something like, “have authority over, dominion over, not to usurp authority from.” This is the way authentane is usually handled. In deference to many people who have tried to study these verses on their own, I will say that it has been very difficult to get to the truth….

…Now, if you see where this is flowing, what I want to do at this point is I want to anchor in the part about “teach.”

1 Timothy 2:12

I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority…

However, if teach and another word are linked in your understanding, then I can forbid one thing. Let me make this clearer. If I say to you, “I do not permit you to teach or discuss higher mathematics.” In that phrase in English, I am not saying that you cannot teach and you cannot discuss higher mathematics as in two separate things. I am saying you cannot teach or discuss higher mathematics. You can go out and teach something else. You can discuss something else, but you cannot teach or discuss higher mathematics….


Paul and Women Teachers:
Understanding 1Timothy, Chapters 1 & 2

By Dianne D. McDonnell from churchofgoddfw.com

“….What was Ephesus like?

It is helpful to understand the setting. Ephesus was a wealthy Asian city that revolved around the massive Temple of Artemis, one of the seven wonders of the ancient world. Understanding the religion of Artemis, also known as Diana, is very important in understanding the words Paul writes. Notice in the quotation below that Artemis, a fertility goddess, was believed to protect women during childbirth.

“‘Artemis of the Ephesians’ was not a Greek divinity, but Asiatic. This is shown by the fact that eunuchs were employed in her worship– a practice quite foreign to Greek ideas. She was not regarded as a virgin but as mother and foster-mother, as is clearly shown by the multitude of breasts in the rude effigy. She was undoubtedly a representative of the same power presiding over conception and birth that was adored in Palestine under the name Ashtoreth. Her worship, frantic and fanatical after the manner of Asia, was traced back to the Amazons. Her temple at Ephesus was one of the wonders of the world, but its great glory was the ‘image which fell down from heaven’ (Acts 19:35).” New Unger’s Bible Dictionary published by Moody Press of Chicago, Illinois, 1988. …

Myths and Genealogies

…The Amazons are believed by some historians to have been real women whose exploits were magnified into myth. These Amazons are reported to have believed they were not only equal to men, but far superior to men! Therefore, proponents of the Amazons’ goddess Artemis taught female superiority, and this background caused marital problems for the Christian couples of Ephesus! Paul addresses this problem in Ephesians 5:22 as he urges wives to defer to their Christian husbands. Many Ephesian women were told tales of Amazon battles and exploits in their pre-Christian days and taught that they were descended from Amazons– a superior female race! This would explain the false teachers devoting themselves to “myths and endless genealogies” mentioned in 1Tim 1:4. The long genealogies linked them to their Amazon predecessors, whom they believed to be real people that founded Ephesus. Paul was convinced that they were mythological. ..”

REFERENCES:
*shared by my Pastor, Pat F:

Fashioned to Reign: Empowering Women to Fulfill Their Divine Destiny Hardcover – August 15, 2013

by
Kris Vallotton (Author), Jack Hayford (Foreword) amazon.com
Why Not Women : A Biblical Study of Women in Missions, Ministry, and Leadership Paperback – August 1, 2000

by Loren Cunningham (Author), David Joel Hamilton (Author), Janice Rogers (Author) .amazon.com

What’s with Paul and Women? Paperback – April 2, 2010

by
Jon Zens (Author), Wade Burleson (Foreword) amazon.com

Discovering Biblical Equality: Complementarity Without Hierarchy Paperback – August 25, 2005

by Ronald W. Pierce (Editor), Rebecca Merrill Groothuis (Editor), Gordon D. Fee (Editor) amazon.com

Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood (Redesign): A Response to Evangelical Feminism Paperback – November 30, 2012

by
John Piper (Editor),
Wayne Grudem (Editor), J. Ligon Duncan (amazon.com)

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Temple of Artemis


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Temple of Artemis in the Book of Acts. Drive Thru History visits the biblical site of Ephesus where Paul challenged Demetrius and the silversmiths making statues of Artemis (Diana). Go to http://www.ColdWaterMedia.com to explore more videos in the Drive Thru History series.

Lesson 7: The Conduct Of Women In The Church (1 Timothy 2:9-15) bible.org

THE VARIOUS VERSIONS OF
THE WICKER MAN
from steve-p.org

“… The community’s crops have failed and the islanders want Howie as a human sacrifice to appease their gods and ensure bountiful harvests in the future. The ultimate point the film was to make is this – what does Howie’s religion (albeit a more mainstream one than the islanders’) actually count for if he is alone in a sea of different beliefs? Unless deities actually exist, the winner in a conflict of religions is simply the one that has the muscle to enforce his doctrine….
The Wicker Man (2006) , from imdb.com

“…Edward travels to the private island of Summerisle, where Willow lives in an odd community that plant fruits, and she reveals that Rowan is actually their daughter. Along his investigation with the hostile and unhelpful dwellers, Edward discloses that the locals are pagans, practicing old rituals to improve their harvest, and Rowan is probably alive and being prepared to be sacrificed. When he locates the girl, he finds also the dark truth about the wicker man. ..

The Secret History of the Jesus Bloodline: The Child of Mary Magdalene
https://youtu.be/OlZxiFf67RI?t=1370
22:50 minute mark-“Jesus was a revolutionary by allowing women a voice and important place” (paraphrase)

What Does the Bible Say About Women? – OpenBible.info

Any thoughts, comments, feedback, etc…?

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Bringing a different treat in Halloween

For the 4th year in a row, I put Bible verses in the the treats I handed out during Halloween this year. I started doing this after giving some thought and prayer about what I can do to be a “light” during this uneventful day as a Christian. I grew-up “ignorantly” knowing the truth behind this “pagan day” until I found the Truth. I didn’t want to just stay in my house with the lights off until all the trick or treaters finished going house to house. I found this idea via online when I was “searching” online what Christians can do during this time of the year.

First I started with candy 4 years ago (would invite friends over for a movie, food, and fellowship or get-together), but switched to juice bottles the last two years (Last year, a friend from another country loved handing out these juice bottles to the visitors at the door. It was a first time experience doing an activity like this as he never did this back at home.). As a “victim” (cavaties that led to high dental bills) of sweets growing-up, I wanted to make sure the kids-youth that came to my door won’t go through the same challenges I did. I don’t want to be responsible in contributing to their health problems (e.g. diabetes, obesity, or any future addictions), like I almost similarly faced when I got older.

This year was probably the biggest number of visitors at my door as I had a record number of 22! The weather wasn’t as warm as last year, but it was probably warmer than it has been for this past week/season. I had a lot of positive feedback of the juice bottles I gave since it was different from the popular sweet candies.

Most of the kids-teens that came by were people I knew from community relationships (e.g. church, work, etc…). The parents would comment later that their kid(s) appreciated the alternative juice treats instead of candy as I explained to them my reason for an alternative health choice.

One group (teenagers) that I won’t forget from this memorable year was when one of them asked me if I was religious after he read the Bible verse taped in the juice bottle I handed to him. I was first intrigued that he recognized it as a Bible verse and then I told him that “religious” is not my definition. Instead I told him it was more that it’s a personal relationship with Jesus. His friend that was close by then boldly stated, “I’m that too”! I smiled and then saw a parent with a kid behind them, which I then replied “awesome” (slowly grew quieter and held back from “preaching”..lol).

Other notes about this year’s event was a “friend” from another local church remembered me giving these Bible verse treats the past two years. She asked if I can print these for her as she wanted to do something similar this year. I have yet to ask her how it went, but I will try to update this when I do talk to her. Also, in our community (Morris, Minnesota), the local schools (college and high school) did a community fundraiser this same evening. The college (as has in the past) collected cans for the local food shelf, which I did my part in donating when a college student came over.

UMM students to Trick or Can for food shelf
By UMM News Service on Oct 23, 2013 at 2:44pm morrissuntribune.com
“MORRIS — Students from the University of Minnesota, Morris will be going door-to-door in the Morris community collecting donations for the Stevens County Food Shelf on Thursday, Oct. 31, from 7 to 8:30 p.m. Donations can also be left outside if they are clearly marked for Trick or Can.

While the Stevens County Food Shelf is requesting donations of money or personal hygiene products (soap, shampoo, conditioner, deodorant), nonperishable food items are also welcome. These include canned goods as well as jello/pudding mixes, crackers, popcorn, coffee, and cocoa. Please make checks payable to Stevens County Food Shelf.

Since 1991, the Stevens County Food Shelf has been a reliable source of help to the Morris community, providing hygiene products and nonperishable food items to low-income households in the area. The Food Shelf serves an average of 100 households, or 300 individuals, each month.

For more information, contact the University of Minnesota, Morris Office of Community Engagement at 320-589-6276.

Unfortunately, no high school student came over, which they were asking for donations to a UNICEF program.

Please keep the kidsyouth in your thoughts and prayers (e.g. Lord’s protection from daily temptations, dangers-bullying, etc..) throughout the rest of the school season.

*see Deep Thought: How to show “love” throughout the year? goodnewseverybodycom.wordpress.com

I would love to hear any feedback on what do you think about this as I’m looking forward to what I can do “better” next year. Till then, may you keep seeking Him throughout the season(s).

“Celebrate” or NOT!

Celebrate!

Why Do We Celebrate Halloween? – YouTube

Matt Chandler Explains Why the New Testament Suggests It’s OK to Celebrate Halloween OCTOBER 26, 2018 relevantmagazine.com
“..But, in this clip, Chandler says that while it’s OK to choose not to celebrate Halloween, one story in the New Testament seems to suggest that’s fine too (as long as you’re aren’t being overly scary, demonic or sensual).

He points to 1 Corinthians 8, where Paul discusses whether it’s OK to eat meat that was sacrificed to idols. Ultimately, he says there’s nothing wrong with it, though he adds, “Be careful, however, that the exercise of your rights does not become a stumbling block to the weak.”..”

NEUTRAL

Should Christians Celebrate Halloween?

Is it Okay for a Christian to Celebrate Halloween?

Time of Grace Ministry
Published on Oct 31, 2016
Halloween is a fun time for children to dress up and trick-or-treat but is it okay for a Christian to celebrate Halloween?

Should Christians Celebrate Halloween?

The Master’s Seminary
Published on Oct 30, 2015
Jamie Jackson interviews Dr. Nathan Busenitz concerning how Christians should think about Halloween.
http://www.tms.edu/preachersandpreach…

NOT!

*see Deep Thought: Does “curiosity” really “kill the cat”? goodnewseverybodycom.wordpress.com

Why Christians Should Not Participate in Halloween – YouTube

Teachings

The Truth about Halloween – Pastor Fred Price Jr.

Ever Increasing Faith Ministries
Published on Oct 31, 2013
Get this message today!

HISTORY OF HALLOWEEN

When looking at the world today, it’s very obvious to understand why the Father commanded us not to be of this world. When we look at many of the practices, holidays, and rituals that we participate in, the reasons we should not be of this world become so clear. The celebration of Halloween is something that truly emphasizes this point. There has always been an agenda to blur the lines between good and evil. Also an agenda to initiate the world into the occult and to accept the things of Lucifer. After you understand more about Halloween you will clearly see that this agenda is truly in the end stages. Don’t celebrate this wicked day!

20 Reasons Why Christians Shouldn’t Celebrate Halloween

Halloween, Christmas, Easter, all Pagan Holidays Exposed … – YouTube

*see Now You Know: Various Christmas Symbolism goodnewseverybodycom.wordpress.com

&
*see Movie: The Passion of the Christ Scenes Reflections goodnewseverybodycom.wordpress.com
on “true” Easter

*see Hypocrites?: Religion-Christianity goodnewseverybodycom.wordpress.com

Stories of Former “Pagans”

Club Interactive: What’s the Deal with Christians and Halloween – Oct. 31, 2014

CBN – The Christian Broadcasting Network
Published on Oct 31, 2014

What’s the deal with Halloween? Should Christians celebrate the holiday?

Former Witch Speaks About Halloween

The Other Side of Darkness
Published on Oct 29, 2014

A former witch and now born again Christian gives insight into her experience with Halloween.

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Christians And Halloween: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7MUO…

Is Halloween Evil? A Biblical Look https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR3oK…

Is Christmas Pagan? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voTiz…

Easter and Paganism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6Pi3…

Here is my testimony on video: https://youtu.be/MisoSzipgy8

Here is my testimony of how I became delivered of demonic oppression: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR9En…

Are You Letting Witchcraft Into Your Home? https://youtu.be/Wrc45TaF_sQ

My testimony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MisoS…

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About Me: Hi my name is Beth 🙂 I am an ex witch and new ager, who came out of satanic ritual abuse in the Mormon church. I am saved by the love and grace of Jesus Christ, and I blog and vlog about my past experiences, what I have learned and where God is leading me. I am also a stay at home mom of 4 boys, and married to a wonderful man.

*see GoodnewsEverybody.com Issues-Accuser, Satan, Hell, etc… issues.goodnewseverybody.com/accuser.html

&

GoodnewsEverybody.com- Deceiver-Ways Satan “lies” to everybody, Demons, Devils, Ghosts, Horror, Magic, Illusions, Misinformed, Witches, etc…. issues.goodnewseverybody.com

People ask, so what do we then “celebrate” if we can’t celebrate Halloween? One suggestion is celebrating “God’s” blessings daily (e.g. Biblical feasts – Now You Know: Interesting Jewish “Stuff” goodnewseverybodycom.wordpress.com

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