Deep Thought: Why is the Bible so “contradictory” or is it?

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Does the Bible Contradict Itself?, October 3rd, 2012 By Robert A. Ratcliff ministrymatters.com
“..So, does the Bible contradict itself? In one sense, of course it does. The Bible is not one book after all, it is a library of books gathered, compiled, composed, and edited over the course of centuries. That one book or passage should disagree, even substantially, with another is only inevitable.

But in another sense we can say that when the Bible is contradicting itself it is at the same time conversing with itself. One text speaks to another, challenging it, probing it, shedding new light upon it. The internal conversation going on in Scripture creates some of the Bible’s most important messages. If the Bible speaks the word of God (and I believe it does), then it is above all a dynamic word. The truth of Scripture is not static; it is changing, it is growing, and where there is growth there is usually friction….”

Does the Bible Contradict Itself?- How to think about differences in scripture By Preston Sprinkle April 20, 2015 relevantmagazine.com
“Most people answer this question either with an adamant “Yes!” or passionate “No!” Too often, though, both sides fail to understand or represent the other side. Not everyone who says that the Bible contains contradictions is an angry, arrogant, card-carrying atheist. And not everyone who believes there aren’t any contradictions is a backwoods, unscientific, raging fundamentalist with his head in the sand…

What “Contradictions” Look Like

First, it’s important to distinguish between contradiction and difference. Just because two passages are different, doesn’t mean they contradict each other. For example, Matthew 27:5 says that Judas hung himself, while Acts 1:18 says that he fell to the ground and burst wide open. These are two different accounts of Judas’ death, but they are not formal contradictions. A contradiction would be one passages saying, “Judas hung himself and died” and another passage saying, “Judas didn’t hang himself; rather, he threw himself from cliff and splattered on the ground.”..

Answering for the Bible

…For instance, for the longest time critics laughed at the blatant error in Daniel 5:1, where Belshazzar is named king of Babylon. Every historian knew that Nabonidus was the king at this time, not some guy named Balshazzar. That is, until archaeologists discovered an inscription known as the “Persian Verse Account of Nabonidus,” where it says that Nabonidus went away for a long journey during this time and left the kingdom in the hands of—you guessed it—his son Balshazzar. Contradiction solved…

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Violent?

4 Responses to the Problem of Violence in the Bible February 6, 2015 by John Dickson
….4. You must read the narrative through the lens of the New Testament.
“This is the most important response to the problem of Old Testament violence. Christians are forbidden to read Joshua as a justification for modern war, for Jesus said to love your enemies (Matthew 5:44) and turn the other cheek (Matthew 5:39). That doesn’t mean wars are never justified — they can be, on other grounds. My point here is that we cannot achieve God’s kingdom ends through violence.
This is not picking and choosing which bits of the Bible we like and don’t like. It is how Christians have always read the Bible as two testaments. Like a ‘prism’ that causes light to refract into the full spectrum, the life, teaching, death, and resurrection of Jesus transforms many things — including circumcision, food laws, and holy war. For Christians, the only holy war the Bible endorses is the spiritual one Paul mentions in Ephesians 6: the fight against error and sin….”

Islam Perspective

Verses of Violence: Comparing the Bible and Quran
9:30AM EST 12/16/2015 Michael Brown charismanews.com
“…How can anyone compare the two?

Jesus is called the Lamb of God in numerous texts, speaking of His sacrificial death on the cross, and He is worshipped by Christians as the Lamb who was slain. Do Muslims commonly think of Muhammad in those terms?

The issue here is not whether it’s appropriate for Christians to defend themselves against terrorist attacks or whether Christians should serve in the military.

The issue is that the early Christians were killed for their faith rather than killing others for their faith. The early Muslims did, in fact, kill others for their faith, and many have continued to do so through the centuries.

So, when a Christian is killed by a radical Muslim for refusing to deny his faith, both the Christian and the Muslim can point to their leaders—Jesus and Muhammad—and say, “I am following the example of my leader,” one by being killed for his faith, the other by killing for his faith.

I’m quite aware of ugly aspects of Church history, including the violence of the Crusades (in particular, against European Jews who were not part of the military conflict between Christians and Muslims), but examples such as this prove the larger point: They are horrific exceptions to the rule and they are without New Testament support…”

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“Islam has been under huge scrutiny lately and is often criticized for being an aggressive religion…
but what about Christianity?

In this video we disguised a Bible as a Quran and read some of it’s most gruesome verses to the people. This is what they had to say.

Flying Hijacked Planes into Glass Houses TheReligionofPeace.com Presents

“…Strategic omission is just one way that Muslim apologists manipulate Biblical passages. (In this case, The American Muslim editors did not even include an ellipsis in place of the omission, since it may have raised the suspicions of the reader).

The next passage that The American Muslim claims promotes violence is from the apostle Paul, who writes:

“Hymenaeus and Alexander I have delivered to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.” (1Timothy 1:20)

The violence in the passage is not exactly evident from this reading. In the context of the previous verse, these two men “suffered shipwreck with regard to the faith,” but there is nothing to indicate that they were physically harmed as a result. It was the practice of the early Church to excommunicate apostates, and there is every reason to believe that this was the “fate” of these two individuals. They were expelled from the Church by Paul. The Christian Church does not advocate killing apostates.

Contrast this with the words of Muhammad:

“Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'” (Bukhari 84:57)

Not much ambiguity there. Abu Bakr, the first caliph and several other Muslims testified that Muhammad had indeed put Muslim apostates to death. For this reason, the practice is coded in Islamic law.

The next passage that is supposed to inspire Christians to violence is the recounting of David’s victory against the Philistines:

“This day the LORD will deliver you into my..”…..

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Sexist?

Is the Bible sexist against women? from comereason.org
“Hi Paul,

I do not believe God is “against” women. The passage to which you are referring is 1 Timothy 2:12, “But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.” On its face, this may seem a sexist position. Why can’t women teach? Aren’t they as knowledgeable as men? Aren’t they as smart? This line of thinking takes the passage out of context, though.

The above passage (along with several others) is meant to set down the structure of leadership in the church as an organized body. Before I go into detail on this, let me first explain what it is not saying. Warren Wiersbe gives us a great account of how the New Testament approaches women.(1)

The Bible does not say that a woman cannot teach a man about Christ. Priscilla, along with her husband, taught Apollos the way of God more accurately (Acts 18:26).
It does not say women cannot exercise spiritual gifts. The four daughters of Philli…”

*see What is a women’s role in the “church” from a Biblical perspective? goodnewseverybodycom.wordpress.com

BIG Life Questions?

What are some BIG life questions you may have about faith (e.g. Christianity)?Answering the Big Questions of…

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Above are just a “few” examples out there that I found within the last 30 minutes of re”search”, which I’ll share more later as it’s past my bedtime. Till I get back on this topic, feel free to share any other questions, feedback, resources (e.g. websites), etc..

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Peace: How can we live with Muslims?

I decided to write this after seeing all the “negativity” towards this religion of Islam. As a Christian, my heart goes out for them with all the “bad” media in social networking lately. I also “feel” for them because of my personal experiences of “racism” and being falsely accused as a “terrorist”.

I remember during the Persian Gulf War (early 90’s), a so-called “friend” was joking that I looked like the “enemy”. Then after 9-11, a couple of kids said I “looked” like a “terrorist”. This was so embedded in my mind that I remember I was afraid of leaving my house after the 9-11 attacks as I was scared of people accusing me as a “terrorist”. In fact, I remember some couple emotionally spilled their gut to me saying, “We let “them” come to our country and they do this to “us”.

The “media” got many of “us” to go through “Islamaphobia”. I was even scared of mingling with some “newcomers” to Morris from Pakistan that happened to be Muslim. I ended up befriending him and would end up housing 2 more Muslims to live with me afterwards.

My view of “Muslims” totally changed after these experiences and now I’m trying to do my best to change the “negative” image the “media” has protrayed on them.

History

Everything is a Lie

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Celebrations:

-Eid

What is Eid al-Adha? – YouTube

Appreciating Eid al-Adha through the Biblical Texts Gallery November 9, 2011 ifeldp.wordpress.com
“..This week, Muslims all over the world celebrate Eid al-Adha or Qurbani Aid – the festival of sacrifice – to commemorate Abraham’s willingness to sacrifice his only son upon Allah’s command. This festival also marks the end of Hajj. According to Muslims’ account, Allah spared Ishmael upon seeing Abraham’s devotion and commanded him to sacrifice a ram instead.

The animal sacrificed for Eid al-Adha is cut in thirds, one third is donated to those less fortunate, one third offered to friends, and one third eaten in a celebratory dinner with family. Muslims who could afford to give symbolizes their willingness to give up upon Allah’s command through this animal sacrifice.

While the Islamic teaching says that Ibrahim (Abraham) was commanded by God to sacrifice Ishmael, Christians believe that Isaac was the one to be sacrificed. Among philosophers and theologians in the modern times, the rhetoric of the discourse was not on who was supposed to be sacrificed, but leaned towards principled and ethical questions. Soren Kierkeegard, for example, purported that ethical standards did not apply to divine command…”

Can Christians Trust Muslim Hospitality? JAYSON CASPER AUGUST 24, 2018 10:32 AM christianitytoday.com
Arab theologians counsel Americans fearful of “taqiyya,” Islam’s alleged permission to lie, around Eid al-Adha and Ramadan holidays.
“..The holiest of Islam’s two yearly holidays is Eid al-Adha; in Arabic, “the feast of the sacrifice.” This week, on August 21, Muslims worldwide slaughtered sheep, remembering how God saved Abraham from sacrificing his son Ishmael.

Wait, Ishmael? Not Isaac?

Though the Qur‘an doesn’t name the son, Muslims believe it was the ancestor of the Arabs that God used to test Abraham’s faith. Should Christians understand this as a theological error? Or an outright lie?

The identification matters, because Isaac is a prefiguration of Jesus, whose sacrifice saved man from his sins. Religions often have differing traditions; and for Christians, Muhammad’s conscience in founding Islam is unknown. But some Christians today are comfortable delving into the conscience of everyday, ordinary Muslims, finding deception at every turn.

The idea is called taqiyya: that Muslims are permitted by their faith to lie if it will advance the cause of their religion….

But beyond extremists, certainly some Muslims have an agenda. How can the American Christian discern? And should some Christians examine themselves?

“The Bible calls us to love our neighbors and our enemies. It is impossible to know someone’s intentions with certainty, and anyone is capable of having negative intentions,” said Salim Munayer, executive director of the Jerusalem-based Musalaha reconciliation ministry…

Munayer agreed with Accad’s perspective on taqiyya, and described positive interfaith initiatives in the Holy Land. But he had a message to share from one minority to another.

“We should encourage Muslims in America to speak up for religious freedom for Christians in the Middle East, where Christians are a minority,” he said….

Rather than trying to judge whether or not a Muslim is practicing taqiyya, Wahba recommended 1 Corinthians 13.

“Love believes all things,” he said. “If you fear a Muslim is not honest, it will build walls. But love will go to him and build bridges, and be a means of witness to the gospel.”

Practically speaking, do not be afraid to join Muslims if invited to holiday celebrations, whether the recent Eid or Ramadan’s iftar fast-breaking. Trust God is at work no matter their heart, said Wahba.

“Love is stronger than lying. It is not about them, it is about me.”

Islamaphobia Stories:

-Racism

Two men stabbed to death on Oregon train trying to stop anti-Muslim rant Sat May 27, 2017 | 8:42pm EDT reuters.com

By Alex Dobuzinskis

(Reuters) – A man fatally stabbed two passengers aboard a Portland, Oregon, commuter train after they tried to stop him from harassing two young women who appeared to be Muslim, police said on Saturday.

Police identified the assailant, who was arrested soon after the Friday afternoon attack, as Jeremy Joseph Christian of Portland, a 35-year-old convicted felon.

A senior researcher with the Southern Poverty Law Center, in a blog post, said Christian’s Facebook page showed he held “some racist and other extremist beliefs.”

The attack unfolded hours before the start of Ramadan, Islam’s holy month, when most of the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims observe a daily religious fast.

Christian started shouting ethnic and religious slurs, apparently at the two young women, one of whom wore a Muslim head-covering, the Portland Police Department said in a statement.

Three men who intervened were stabbed. Ricky John Best, 53, of Happy Valley, Oregon died at the scene, while Taliesin Myrddin Namkai Meche, 23, of Southeast Portland died at a hospital, police said. A third victim, Micah David-Cole Fletcher of 21, Southeast Portland, remained in a local hospital with serious but non-life-threatening injuries, police said.

Christian was booked on two counts of aggravated murder and charges of attempted murder, intimidation and being a felon in possession of a restricted weapon, and was ordered held without bail. His arraignment is scheduled for Tuesday.

The women, who had left the train before officers arrived, were later in contact with authorities, according to police, who have not released their identities.

Dyjuana Hudson, the mother of one of them, told The Oregonian newspaper her 16-year-old daughter, who is black, boarded the train with a Muslim friend, also a teenager, who was wearing a hijab.

The attacker approached the girls while screaming at them, Hudson told the newspaper, relaying an account her daughter had given her. “He was saying that Muslims should die,” Hudson said.

On Friday police said detectives wanted to speak to the two women. A detective later took a statement from her family, Hudson told the paper. She could not be reached for comment.

Police declined to release details of Christian’s criminal history, but the newspaper reported he had been convicted of robbery, kidnapping and weapon charges, citing court records. It was not immediately clear if he had obtained an attorney.

The suspect had no known affiliation with a criminal gang member nor any mental health history, police said.

In a statement, the Council on American-Islamic Relations blamed an increase in anti-Muslim incidents in part on President Donald Trump’s focus on militant Islamist groups and anti-immigrant rhetoric.

The administration has said that while it strongly opposes Islamist militants, it has no quarrel with Islam.

A Facebook page that appears to belong to Christian mentions “Jihadi Muslims” among people he disliked. The image on the page matches a photo of Christian released by police.

(Reporting by Alex Dobuzinskis in Los Angeles and Brendan O’Brien in Milwaukee; Editing by Tom Brown and James Dalgleish)”

-Refugees?

Minnesota Vikings fan victim of hate speech at stadium
By: Jonathan Choe Posted:Dec 09 2015 06:15PM CST fox9.com
“MINNEAPOLIS (KMSP) – A Minnesota attorney says he was verbally assaulted with hate speech from a belligerent Minnesota Vikings fan at Sunday’s game against the Seattle Seahawks.

In an op-ed in the Star Tribune, Deepinder Mayell, the director of the Advocates for Human Rights’ refugee and immigrant program, wrote that a man in his section approached him in the stands and demanded to know if he was a refugee, claiming he needed to “make sure” he was not a refugee.

The 35-year-old told Fox 9 he and three friends reported the incident to security staff, who confronted the man. In the end, the fan was allowed to remain in the stadium for the rest of the game.

“I think something struck with him because he said ‘I’m sorry.’ He did apologize,” Mayell said.

Mayell believes it happened because this fan is afraid of extremist Muslims linked to terrorism. Mayell, who is a Sikh American, says he is tired of being lumped into this group because of the color of his skin.
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-Somalians

Police seeking Minnesota man charged with setting Somali-owned restaurant on fire, By: Rachel Chazin Posted:Dec 13 2015 05:40PM CST fox9.com
“..EAST GRAND FORKS, Minn. (KMSP) – Grand Forks police have issued an arrest warrant for 25-year-old Matthew Gust, of East Grand Forks, Minn., who was charged Friday with arson to a Somali-owned restaurant.

According to the Grand Forks Herald, the Juba coffee shop is owned by a Muslim family who immigrated to the U.S. more than 15 years ago. The attack came just days after a Nazi-like symbol and the words “go home” were spray-painted on the restaurant’s exterior.
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Others:

Wounded British soldier shuts up anti-Muslim racists with epic message
08 Tuesday Dec 2015 Posted by Tom Pride in hopeless naivety tompride.wordpress.com

Cool Facts

10 Famous Muslim-Americans You Didn’t Know Were Muslim


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Islamaphobes can forget how much Muslim-Americans have contributed to our country. And while we don’t condone intolerance of any religion, it is nice to remind ourselves of the famous and great Muslim-Americans who have changed the United States for the better.

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Who is Steve Jobs’ Syrian immigrant father, Abdul Fattah Jandali? macworld.co.uk
“Steve Jobs is well known as an arch innovator from California’s Silicon Valley – founding Apple Computer, NeXt and Pixar, and helping to bring to the world the personal computer, Mac, iPhone and iPad, as well as movies such as Toy Story and Finding Nemo….

…Less well known is the fact that while Steve Jobs was born in California he was actually adopted, and his biological father was a political migrant from the Syrian city of Homs, now devastated by the civil war in Syria.

On Twitter this fact has now gone viral, starting via a tweet by David Galbraith, and further exposed by the BBC World Service’s Outside Source programme. It remains a powerful statement, especially following the ISIS atrocities in Syria, Iraq, Egypt and now mainland Europe.

While some people are horrified at the numbers fleeing Syria, and worry about the consequences of other countries taking on millions of refugees, the tweets point out that previous Syrian migrants have boosted the West’s culture, business and technology – most notably the biological father of Steve Jobs – Abdul Fattah Jandali, who is still alive (aged 84) and living in Nevada…”

The Muslims who shaped America – from brain surgeons to rappers Stuart Jeffries Tuesday 8 December 2015 14.34 EST theguardian.com
32 Super Famous People Who Are Also Muslims, stars.topix.com
9 Famous Americans You Probably Didn’t Know Were Muslim Ben Winsor Oct. 27, 2014, 4:07 PM 632,539 .businessinsider.com
“Still, there are more than 2.5 million American Muslims, making it the third-largest religion in the US.

While Muslims account for just 0.8% of the population, they have faced rising discrimination and prejudice since the 9/11 attacks 13 years ago. With the rise of groups like the Islamic State now seeking to promote their brand of violent extremism, that may be unlikely to end anytime soon.

A recent poll reported that 62% of American’s didn’t personally know a Muslim, so here’s a list of 9 Muslim Americans you probably will know…”

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