Neutral Perspective: Our nation (U.S.A.) needs to make stricter gun laws or we have the right to bear arms?

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Need to Make Stricter Gun Laws

Will School Shooting Lead to Stricter Gun Laws

“Published on Dec 16, 2012

Even after one of its members was shot and nearly killed last year by gunman Jared Loughner, Congress did not enact legislation to make it more difficult to buy or carry a gun.
In the immediate wake of the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., it’s too soon to know whether federal or state governments will enact new restrictions on gun purchases or ownership. It’s also too early to foresee whether Congress or state legislatures will enact new policies to deal with mentally ill Americans.
For better or worse, the new policies would need to be determined in the political arena, with electoral accountability, and most members of Congress have shown no interest in going beyond the last major legislation to regulate gun purchases or ownership in 1994.
President Barack Obama’s initial comment Friday afternoon at the White House suggested that he wishes the policy decisions could be made above or aside from politics. “We’re going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics,” Obama said

Shooting in Oregon: 11 essential facts about guns and mass shootings in America By Max Ehrenfreund October 1 at 3:33 PM 2015 washingtonpost.com

8. States with stricter gun control laws have fewer deaths from gun-related violence.
“…Higher populations, more stress, more immigrants, and more mental illness were not correlated with more deaths from gun violence. But one thing he found was, perhaps, perfectly predictable: States with tighter gun control laws appear to have fewer gun-related deaths. The disclaimer here is that correlation is not causation. But correlations can be suggestive:

“The map overlays the map of firearm deaths above with gun control restrictions by state,” Florida wrote in 2012. “It highlights states which have one of three gun control restrictions in place – assault weapons’ bans, trigger locks, or safe storage requirements. Firearm deaths are significantly lower in states with stricter gun control legislation. Though the sample sizes are small, we find substantial negative correlations between firearm deaths and states that ban assault weapons (-.45), require trigger locks (-.42), and mandate safe storage requirements for guns (-.48).”..”

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Megyn Kelly Panel Clashes Over Stricter Gun Control To Prevent Mass Shootings -Heated Debate

“Published on Dec 21, 2012

Megyn Kelly Panel Clashes Over Stricter Gun Control To Prevent Mass Shootings -Heated Debate
On Friday afternoon, Megyn Kelly’s panel — comprised of pro-gun advocate John Lott and pro-gun control advocate Lori Haas — debated how effective gun control legislation would be in quelling the string of gun violence the country as seen. What effect, Kelly asked, would gun control laws really have?

Lott, who’s made his case before, reiterated his argument that gun-free zones give criminals incentive to attack areas they know are vulnerable. “Let’s say, God forbid, a criminal was stalking you or your family,” Lott said. “Would you feel safer putting a sign on your home that said, this home is a gun-free zone?”

To the contrary, Haas, of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, offered a much different perspective, having been directly affected by such incidents. About five years ago, Haas’ daughter, Emily, was shot twice in the back of the head when a gunman opened fire on Virginia Tech’s campus. He was using a high-capacity magazine clip, Haas said — and state police said when they were banned, the use of those clips in crime was down. But when the ban expired, the incidents of those clips in crimes increased.

“It’s unacceptable in America we allow this to happen to our children and that we see the answer to gun violence as more guns,” Haas argued.

“Guns make it easier for bad things to happen,” Lott said. “But they also have benefits in terms of protecting people in terms of protecting people who are being threatened by crime.”

To Haas’ point, Lott argued that he has yet to see evidence that banning certain high-capacity magazine clips has had any benefit. As Kelly turned the discussion to the gunman, Haas went on to argue the mental health aspect of the problem, asserting that people who are mentally ill or have violent tendencies should have more difficulty getting guns.

-Other

Every mass shooting over last 20 years has one thing in common… and it’s not guns m.disclose.tv
“The following is a republishing of an important article written by Dan Roberts from AmmoLand.com. It reveals the real truth about mass shootings that bureaucrats and lawmakers are choosing to sweep under the rug: psychiatric drugs. If you want to know the real reason why mass shootings are taking place, this is the “inconvenient truth” the media won’t cover.

As part of a collective grassroots effort to defend the Bill of Rights against usurpers and tyrants, Natural News (and now, Waking Up Wisconsin) is republishing this article without asking for permission first. When it comes to fighting tyrants and defending liberty, the unstated agreement across the entire liberty-loving grassroots community is, “Use our articles; help spread the word!” Every article I write here on Natural News, for example, may be reprinted with credit and a link back to the original source article on NaturalNews.com…

Matthew 26:52 Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword. http://www.openbible.info/topics/swordsLive by the Sword - Die by the Sword http://youtu.be/Q2qFam6zP7MGood News Sociologyhttps://www.facebook.com/groups/139706352858524/?ref=br_tfThe Gospel of Matthew - [23/26] http://youtu.be/ojD7sg11i-g?t=9m27sstart @9:27 more...https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152157682067550&set=oa.300672596749115&type=3&theater

We Have the Right to Bear Arms!

Right to Bear Arms
constitutioncenter.org
“Passed by Congress September 25, 1789. Ratified December 15, 1791. The first 10 amendments form the Bill of Rights..”

Ben Stein: Stricter gun laws won’t cut shootings – CBS News

“Published on Dec 18, 2012

August 19, 2012 – Issues are presented here that are just basic truths.. the results of gun control are varied. Generally the culture surrounding the areas have more to do with the outcomes than the specific laws imposed. It is a complicated subject to say the least. The title here is misleading as stricter gun control laws do in fact reduce shootings in some cases.. however this is not universally true.

source: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-…

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29-Year-Old Black Male Dead After Killing 3 Cops, Wounding 3 More In Baton Rouge “Cowardly” Ambush
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by Tyler Durden
Jul 17, 2016 7:57 PM zerohedge.com

“…Authorities initially believed that two other assailants might be at large, but hours later said the dead gunman was the only person who fired at the officers. However, a state police spokesman said investigators were unsure whether he had some kind of help from others. “We are not ready to say he acted alone,” Major Doug Cain said…”

-Dallas

The Mainstream Media Is Not Real “News”: Explosive Evidence of the Dallas Police Shootings Being A False Flag
July 13, 2016 / Jeff Berwick / 12 Comments dollarvigilante.com
“Americans need to understand that virtually nothing of importance that is shown on mainstream media programming is real or factual.

All major events are scripted or are covered with a massive propaganda bias.

This shouldn’t be news to anyone who is paying attention.

According to Amber Lyon, a three-time Emmy award winning journalist, CNN is routinely paid by the US government and foreign governments to selectively report on certain events.

I’ve personally met with the White House Press Corp who told me that they are actors not journalists.

And the CIA has admitted to using the mainstream media for propaganda purposes:…

THE TELEPORTING GUNMAN

There were no shots fired from the garage in the initial melee

Dallas police Chief David Brown stated that Micah Johnson, the alleged lone gunman, was killed with a bomb-carrying robot on the 2nd floor of the Bank of America Parking Plaza, which is south of Main Street from the El Centro College complex…

Many media reports have tended to focus on the garage as the source of the shooting, but this is highly misleading. All of the initial gunfire, which happened just before 9:00 PM, in fact came from Lamar Street where a man parked an SUV and began shooting with what was reported to be an SKS rifle. There were no shots from the garage at this time.

Multiple angles from various pieces of amateur footage allow for the location of the shooter to be determined.

The first vantage point (red V1 in image above) was taken from a parking lot looking northwest towards the intersection of Lamar and Main. Squad cars which had been parked at that intersection for the protests can be seen, along with officers who have been struck and are lying on the pavement. Notice that the one officer is ducking behind his car to shield himself from bullets travelling south along Lamar.

Another vantage point, V3, was taken from the 2nd level of the Bank of America Parking Plaza, the same level where Micah Johnson is alleged to have been bombed by police. Once again you can see the same squad cars and officers ducking from gunfire which is originating from behind the SUV. In the video, you can see the gunman step out from behind the SUV, fire several shots for cover, and then duck behind a pillar of the El Centro College building.

…DIRECT EVIDENCE OF A 2ND ACCOMPLICE

Who is bag man?

The impossible route isn’t the only gaping hole in the lone gunman theory being promoted by the police, FBI, and the mainstream media. There is direct video evidence of a 2nd accomplice…”

Orlando (Florida) Gay Club Shooting

5 Reasons to Question the Official Story of the Orlando Shooting
TOPICS:Brandon TurbevilleFBIISISOrlando Shooting

June 13, 2016 By Brandon Turbeville
“…FBI Foreknowledge, ISIS Sympathies, Taliban Ties

What may at first sound like an instance of senseless violence, brings with it a number of other questions. For instance, the FBI was already well aware of Mateen and his connections to radical jihad and terrorism. According to CNN’s article, “50 Killed in Florida Nightclub, Shooter Pledged ISIS Allegiance,” two officials tell CNN that the FBI had investigated Mateen at some point for possibly having ties to or sympathizing with Islamic extremism. A law enforcement official said there were two cases opened involving Mateen but the probes didn’t result in enough evidence to charge him with anything…
Who Controls ISIS?
… ISIS was entirely created, funded and directed by the United States, Britain, France and other NATO countries. Its actions have been coordinated by the Anglo-American Intelligence apparatus for geopolitical purposes all across the world both at home and abroad. …

*see Neutral Perspective: ISIS was created by Global terrorists or Global State governments?
Conclusion

While the right-wing media blames Muslims and the left-wing media blame guns, perhaps it would be more effective if thinking individuals would examine the possibilities that this attack was a false flag incident designed to push an agenda that would benefit those in power in some way or other. Out of this attack we will no doubt see another push for the evisceration of the Second Amendment and other civil liberties as well as increased hype regarding ISIS as a threat to the American way of life and a greater attempt at justification for foreign adventures….”

‘Craft Intl mercenaries carried out San Bernardino shooting’ Tue Dec 8, 2015 11:37AM HomeUSInterviews presstv.com

Mercenaries from the Craft International, a tactical training company for the US military, carried out last week’s false flag operation in San Bernardino, California, according to Steven D Kelley, a former NSA/CIA contractor.

On Wednesday, Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and Tashfeen Malik, 29, stormed a holiday party in San Bernardino, California, killing at least 14 people and injuring 21 in the deadliest mass shooting in the US in three years. Hours later, the couple reportedly died in a fire exchange with police.

Malik had pledged allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of the Daesh (ISIL) terrorist group, three US officials familiar with the investigation claimed on Friday. On Saturday, the Takfiri group also claimed the couple as its followers.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) said on Monday the couple had been radicalized “for some time.”

Kelley told Press TV on Tuesday that the shooting “is just one in a long string of false flag events that I am afraid to say are not over.”

“We’ll probably be seeing several more before the end of the year, because of the events that are going on in the world, specifically with the NATO being implicated in the buying of oil from Daesh and other events,” he stated.

“So when these things happen they need to have a rapid response which requires a false flag attack. This was very obvious that this was going to happen,” the analyst added.

“The people that were on the scene and saw this happen also reported that three tall white men wearing black shirts, khaki pants and tanned combat boots were actually the shooters. The description is almost exactly what the gentlemen from Craft International, the mercenary organization that was involved in so many other false flags, actually look like. This seems to be their standard uniform,” he noted.

President Barack Obama on Sunday called the California shooting an “act of terrorism” and said the couple who launched the attack “had gone down the dark path of radicalization.”

“They had stockpiled assault weapons, ammunition and pipe bombs. So this was an act of terrorism,” he claimed.

Kelley said “the people that are being implicated – the couple — first of all if they were planning something, if they were radicalized as this is being said, and clearly the NSA, the FBI will be right on the top of these people all the time, but rather than stopping them from doing something, they were nurtured to be used for this exact purpose.”

“I do not suspect that these people have anything to do with the actual shooting. I suspect that these were patsies, no different than Timothy McVeigh or any of these other people who have historically been used to implement these terrorist acts,” the commentator said.

“If you look at the people that were wounded you can see clearly that bullet wounds are not real. The 223 weapon or bullets fired from AR15 – an extremely powerful weapon — would blow someone’s arm off, it is not going to make a small hole,” said Kelley, who is also a weapons expert.

“So clearly this is a very very dirty false flag. Obviously, the United States is getting very very desperate; the government here is very desperate, they need to do something immediately to disarm the United States prior to a revolution, because the people here are waking up very fast, and they are ready to shut down this evil empire. And this needs to happen very soon,” the analyst concluded.

In his televised address from the Oval Office, Obama called for tougher gun controls, starting with a ban on gun purchases for anyone on a US government no-fly list. “To begin with, Congress should act to make sure no one on a no-fly list is able to buy a gun.”

“What could possibly be the argument for allowing a terrorist suspect to buy a semiautomatic weapon? This is a matter of national security,” he stated.

Obama has said the “biggest frustration” of his time in the office has been the inability to reduce unparalleled levels of gun violence in the country.

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San Bernardino shooting has all the signs of a staged government operation or ISIS terror attack (from what we know so far) Wednesday, December 02, 2015
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger naturalnews.com
“…From what we know so far, this does not resemble in any way a “lone gunman” or an angry gun owner targeting someone he hates. The attack took place at the Inland Regional Center, a company that helps disabled people improve their lives with training, self-improvement counseling and more. No lone gunman shoots up a building full of disabled people.

UPDATE: We now know that LA police used the same building targeted in today’s attack as a stage for active shooter drills carried out every month! As they police raid began, one staffer from inside the building actually tweeted, “drill started.”

Military gear, escape vehicle and more…
According to eyewitness reports, this shooting was carried out by “three white males dressed in military gear.”

They were highly organized, too. They carried out the shooting and then fled in an awaiting vehicle which has not yet been found.

These are not the actions of a crazed, lone gunman. These are the actions of a highly trained force with a specific mission to carry out. They even got away from the scene of the crime! (So far…).

…”
Was San Bernardino Shooting a False Flag? from youtube.com
“Published on Dec 2, 2015

14 people were killed at the Inland regional center in California. The same location where in days past active shooter drills had taken place. Now the police say this shooting started because of a dispute at a party. At this point the shooters went home. Dressed in what mainstream media calls assault clothing and grabbed assault rifles. There are also reports of bombs at the scene. Which tells me that this is a premeditated attack. Nurses in the center thought today’s shooting was a drill. This occurred in a area with gun control already in place and monsters like Hillary Clinton have taken to Twitter to call for more Gun Control. The weapons used were illegally obtained, so how can more fun control counter that? This has false flag written all over it? What do you think?”
SAN BERNARDINO SHOOTING EXPOSED! WAS IT A HOAX?!?!

“Published on Dec 2, 2015

Was the San Bernardino shooting a hoax?! Watch this video as it goes through how it could have been a false flag for gun control!!
At least two of the suspected killers in a mass shooting at a county mental health building in San Bernardino, California—an unidentified man and woman both dressed in black—were killed in a shootout with police on a nearby side street, the killer has been identified as Syed R. Farook they say he got in a fight at the Christmas party came back and shot up the place now they are saying he was mentally sick Syed R. Farook he was employed by San Bernardino County as an Environmental Health Specialists and was a DEVOTED MUSLIM yet CNN is reporting mental illness Obama has been pushing to take away are guns for a while on people that are mentally sick to promote gun control It is no accident that it happen at a disable center are we all seeing why this all happened!?”

BREAKING: SWAT Team Drill Turns into REAL Mass Shooting Scenario in San Bernardino, CA By Matt Agorist on December 2, 2015 thefreethoughtproject.com
“After the shooting began, San Bernardino Police Department Lt. Richard Lawhead said that their SWAT team happened to be conducting training nearby. The team was suited, “ready to roll” and responded rapidly, Lawhead said….
What makes this noteworthy is that this is not the first time that emergency drills for the exact scenario unfolding were taking place at virtually the same moment the actual terrorist attacks began.

Paris-area emergency personnel and ambulance crews were taking part in a simulated emergency exercise on the very same day the Paris terrorist attacks took place.

During the 9/11 attacks on the U.S., North American Aerospace Defense Command’s (NORAD) was in the midst of a training exercise called Vigilant Guardian, which “coincidentally” simulated planes being hijacked by terrorists.

The Free Thought Project has heard from a source on the ground, that the target inside the Inland Regional Center was a gathering of government officials. This was confirmed by KTLA and Marybeth Feild, president and CEO of the Inland Regional Center, told the Associated Press that “the incident is in the conference area” at the center rented by an outside group, which she couldn’t identify.

As of 4:15 EST on Wednesday, the reason behind these tragic shootings and the identity the shooters remains unknown. We will keep updating this article as we find new information…”

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Training exercises dovetail with mass shootings
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by Jon Rappoport jonrappoport.wordpress.com


Sheriff leading Umpqua Community College mass shooting response wrote anti-gun control letter after Sandy Hook
By Michael Walsh 3 hours ago (Thursday, October 1st 2015) Yahoo News
“…“Gun control is NOT the answer to preventing heinous crimes like school shootings,” Hanlin wrote. “Any actions against or in disregard for our U.S. Constitution and 2nd Amendment rights by the current administration would be irresponsible and an indisputable insult to the American people.”

Hanlin also voiced his support in the letter for Linn County, Ore., Sheriff Tim Mueller, who said politicians were exploiting the deaths of innocent victims to try to pass laws that would prevent law-abiding Americans from owning firearms or ammunition magazines.

“The United States Supreme Court has ruled that when a Sheriff chooses to enforce an unconstitutional directive,” Hanlin said, “he is violating his Constitutional Oath. I will NOT violate my Constitutional Oath.”

Hours after the shooting Thursday, President Obama opened his address to the media and the American people by saying that he has been to Roseburg and knows that there are “really good people.” He also thanked first responders there for very likely saving lives.
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Oregon FF/HOAX: We Have Our Hero Narrative With Hollywood Connections

“Published on Oct 2, 2015

More evidence this event was scripted…

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/…
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015…
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/…

‘Sandy Hook Truthers’ claim Newtown school massacre a hoax to spur gun control measures Lee-Anne Goodman, The Canadian Press | January 16, 2013 12:57 AM ET More from The Canadian Press news.nationalpost.com
“..The Obama administration perpetrated the hoax, the conspiracy theorists claim, in order to ratchet up support for tougher gun control measures.

They call themselves Operation Terror, and many of the movement’s adherents appear to have ties to the so-called 9-11 truthers who have long held that the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, were an inside job by the George W. Bush administration.

Their theories on the Dec. 14 shooting in Sandy Hook appear to lack any basis in fact, reality or common sense. But Google Trends suggests the movement is gaining momentum with both a Florida college professor and a libertarian Fox News anchor in Cincinnati questioning the official narrative on the events.
..”

FBI SAYS NO ONE KILLED AT SANDY HOOK — FBI publishes crime report showing “0” murders occurred in Newtown in 2012 redflagnews.com

’80s Punk Star Exene Cervenka Claims Santa Barbara Shooting Was a Hoax

May 28, 2014 7:42 PM radio.com
“..The 58-year-old frontwoman has added herself to the list of “truthers” who believe Elliot Rodger was just another bad actor in a long line of well-produced hoaxes, which include the Boston Marathon bombings and the attack on the World Trade Center.

Calling herself a “conspiracy therapist,” Cervenka digs into Elliot Rodger’s videos and various news reports in order to find incongruities.

Several videos added to her YouTube channel playlist today that back up the theory that Rodger’s manifesto videos were filmed in a studio. “No one died and no one got hurt. The story is 100% fabricated from start to finish,” claims one YouTube truther.

Cervenka believes Rodger’s killing spree, along with the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting, were designed to force stricter gun control laws — ultimately leaving citizens defenseless against the government.
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Biblical Perspective

Why did David choose five smooth stones before going to fight Goliath? gotquestions.org

Matthew 26:52 (ASV) Then saith Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword nto its place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword biblestudytools.com

I just did a quick google “search” on both sides of this issue after the shooting in Oregon (Thursday, October 1st 2015). Thoughts and prayers for all the families of the victims of this shooting and others in the past. These aren’t the best data or sources, so please feel free to share below to back-up what side you are for. Got a solution for these shootings?

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